How cheap would the factory ~250hp 86/FRS/BRZ need to be for you to trade in?

[Carlitoz3]

Originally Posted by thill

Subaru has already stated that they have heard the requests for more power and will do something about it. That said, I don't see it costing under $32K.

Link please (:

[thill]

Originally Posted by Carlitoz3

Link please (:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ting-boss.html

In a recent interview, Subaru global marketing boss Atoshi Atake admitted as much, commenting that the company has been inundated with requests for a more powerful model. “Let me say this – we will certainly satisfy our customers,” said Atanke frankly. “We are already working on a faster version.”

Now you could take the "faster version" quote and equate that to some minor updates to tires, suspension, air intake, exhaust and get a "faster version" for $5K or so markup. That is possible, but based on Subaru's history of the WRX STi, I would expect more than 10-20hp increase.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by thill

Base WRX = $25,795 MSRP
Base WRX STi = $37,645 MSRP

That is a $12K difference. And from what I experience here, Subaru has no problem selling the STi at all. People are on wait lists. Even if the BRZ was marked up $8-10K for an STi model I suspect demand would outpace supply for years.

I feel like that is a poor comparison as the main difference between the two models is the drivetrain. The STI has a complex electronic AWD system and a 6 speed transmission (instead of a 5 speed). Nevermind that all the equipment included on an STI is not on a base WRX. A better comparision would be the WRX Limited ($29,500) against the STI.

And Subaru has no problem selling WRXs (and STIs) because they make a very VERY small amount of them a year. I don't really view that as "selling every one" they make because they are more or less built to order.

[marky]

Never would trade mine.. Plus it has history... First come back in a very long time ...

If I want more power I would go this route ..

[thill]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I feel like that is a poor comparison as the main difference between the two models is the drivetrain. The STI has a complex electronic AWD system and a 6 speed transmission (instead of a 5 speed). Nevermind that all the equipment included on an STI is not on a base WRX. A better comparision would be the WRX Limited ($29,500) against the STI.

And Subaru has no problem selling WRXs (and STIs) because they make a very VERY small amount of them a year. I don't really view that as "selling every one" they make because they are more or less built to order.

Okay, even taking that into account I cannot imagine a scenario where Subaru would sell a BRZ STi for less than $5K more than a BRZ Limited.

Base BRZ Limited MSRP is $28,265 (including destination). +$5K = $33,265 including destination.

And the same rule applies with the BRZ. Subaru would make a small percentage of them in STi form (perhaps order only) and there would be waitlists and markups galore. It would make no sense for Subaru to sell a $30-31K BRZ STi, unless they just added some very basic mods like intake, exhaust, suspension tweaks.

[hobojoker]

For all of you arguing about cost of development. Yes, there is a steep development cost. Part manufacturing is really cheap though... I work for a major automotive manufacturer, and it's not as bad as you think.

Actual Example:
Steering knuckle for production vehicle manufacturing cost: $5.47

Sold at: $320

[f0rge]

I'm not sure I would trade in my car, but if I had the option when new it would have had to be around $35k and had better brakes/wheels/tires to go with the power.

But $35k puts it in the ballpark of a lot of other nice cars.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by thill

Base WRX = $25,795 MSRP
Base WRX STi = $37,645 MSRP

That is a $12K difference. And from what I experience here, Subaru has no problem selling the STi at all. People are on wait lists. Even if the BRZ was marked up $8-10K for an STi model I suspect demand would outpace supply for years.

MSRP on a base 2013 STI is actually $34,295.

[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

MSRP on a base 2013 STI is actually $34,295.

Your right, I clicked on the STi Limited

[FRSupra]

I cannot stand the whole "twins" things. And this is getting ridiculous people are starting to act like this is the only car on the market.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

I cannot stand the whole "twins" things. And this is getting ridiculous people are starting to act like this is the only car on the market.

This is so true. I don't know why people would think that, but there are many other great cars out there.

Porsche is one of those

[BadMoon]

I would buy one. However, it's not going to happen until at least a 2018 version. Even then it's a long shot.

I think people need to appreciate the car for what it is. A well balanced fun to drive rwd sports car.

I did tons of research before I bought the car. I could have gone the more powerful Mustang route, the Camaro route, or hell even a Civic Si that has way more features and was cheaper.

I went with the FRS and never looked back. Why? All those other cars I mentioned are on the roads every day and I can spot one of each during just about every car trip. Even going a mile down the road. I've seen 1 BRZ. The car is original and special. I love it.

[thill]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

I cannot stand the whole "twins" things. And this is getting ridiculous people are starting to act like this is the only car on the market.

You do realize this is a thread talking about a 250hp "twin" right? If this thread was about any 250hp car then you would have a point. But it is not.

[thill]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

I would buy one. However, it's not going to happen until at least a 2018 version. Even then it's a long shot.

I think people need to appreciate the car for what it is. A well balanced fun to drive rwd sports car.

I did tons of research before I bought the car. I could have gone the more powerful Mustang route, the Camaro route, or hell even a Civic Si that has way more features and was cheaper.

I went with the FRS and never looked back. Why? All those other cars I mentioned are on the roads every day and I can spot one of each during just about every car trip. Even going a mile down the road. I've seen 1 BRZ. The car is original and special. I love it.

Well said. Truth be told, if Subaru released an STi version that came close to 50hp and a similar increase in torque I would probably consider one sooner than later if I was able to get 90% of the value back on my car. I would not take a $5K+ loss on my car to get one at this stage and would wait like you said.