Price... what the FRS/BRZ should cost

[FX-GT]

It is what I wrote in the previous post. I NEVER said anything about difference between BRZ and FR-S. Do you find any words "between BRZ and FR-S" after "difference" in my previous post? You don't. I meant the difference between the low end and high end prices.

We do not know the price of BRZ or FR-S at this moment, do we? That's the whole point of this thread. People are speculating what the prices of BRZ and FR-S. I am saying, for example, the price for the BRZ Premium could be either $23K or $28K. Scion could be $20K or $25K. Where the actual prices will be set depends on multiple factors.

[Vr4gasmtt]

Okay the car will be 22-24. Itll be more than 21 and less than 25.

Those saying its going to be 20-21 should go buy a tC. One thing everyone on this forum fails to understand is inflation. TC used to sell for 17k now they're 19?

Think of how much a brand new Miata cost or even the generic genesis. Those are the cara to compare to. It's not that hard.. If its more than 25 nobody will buy it. If its less than 22 they'll be losing money. Hell they can price it at 23 and people will still buy it.

On another note. Thread Jacking. But is there another ft86/frs forum that doesn't have a bunch of flame wars w a bunch of 18 year olds saying they're gonna get one? when in reality they're not gonna get anything?

Just saying.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by FX-GT

It is what I wrote in the previous post. I NEVER said anything about difference between BRZ and FR-S. Do you find any words "between BRZ and FR-S" after "difference" in my previous post? You don't. I meant the difference between the low end and high end prices.

We do not know the price of BRZ or FR-S at this moment, do we? That's the whole point of this thread. People are speculating what the prices of BRZ and FR-S. I am saying, for example, the price for the BRZ Premium could be either $23K or $28K. Scion could be $20K or $25K. Where the actual prices will be set depends on multiple factors.

There is no way Subaru would let the FRS be priced $5-6k less than the BRZ premium. No way. Even the most die hard Subaru fan boy wouldn't pay that different for the Subaru. Once again I don't get your point. The FRS and BRZ premium will be within a few thousand of each other and the limited being a few thousand more than the premium. Please don't talk about how Toyota can take a loss and Subaru can't.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

There is no way Subaru would let the FRS be priced $5-6k less than the BRZ premium. No way. Even the most die hard Subaru fan boy wouldn't pay that different for the Subaru. Once again I don't get your point. The FRS and BRZ premium will be within a few thousand of each other and the limited being a few thousand more than the premium. Please don't talk about how Toyota can take a loss and Subaru can't.

This is a pretty good point. As much as I love the look of the BRZ and the possible options, if I can save $5-6K by going with the FR-S it would be really hard not to. If the only option that wouldn't be upgradable with aftermarket is the dual zone climate control I think I could possibly live with that.

Originally Posted by Vr4gasmtt

On another note. Thread Jacking. But is there another ft86/frs forum that doesn't have a bunch of flame wars w a bunch of 18 year olds saying they're gonna get one? when in reality they're not gonna get anything?

Just saying.

Welcome to the typical internet car forum.

[FX-GT]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

There is no way Subaru would let the FRS be priced $5-6k less than the BRZ premium. No way. Even the most die hard Subaru fan boy wouldn't pay that different for the Subaru. Once again I don't get your point. The FRS and BRZ premium will be within a few thousand of each other and the limited being a few thousand more than the premium. Please don't talk about how Toyota can take a loss and Subaru can't.

I totally agree with you and have never said it will, so please stop quoting me. I NEVER said Subaru will be 5 - 6 K more expensive than Scion. So, STOP quoting me. I do not know what you do not understand.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

We don't know what the differences are yet. If the base BRZ comes with HID, dual climate, LEDs, 17" wheels, and navigation I could see it being $3k more.

That's the limited BRZ but add in the alcantara\leather seats...and yes that could be $3k more than a Base FR-S.

But yeah we don't know the difference yet, but we are close because we already know what's in the Toyota 86.....

But dual climate might be standard on all BRZs?...I doubt it because it looks like they want to charge $2k to $3k more between the premium and limited BRZ. Alcantara\leather trimmed seats are not $2k to $3k more.

You can get an understanding of what the price difference between the BRZ models by looking at WRX pricing. They only charge $1k more for the FULL leather seats with HIDS in the WRX limited.

Sure Scion is monospec right now, but that does not mean they will make the FR-S monospec.

Actually going through the subaru wet site and they are very competitive on pricing...I would say the BRZ premium will only be $1k higher at most than a base FR-S..just because of the Navi and HIDs being standard.

$23k Scion FR-S
$24k BRZ Premium
$26k BRZ limited

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by FX-GT

I totally agree with you and have never said it will, so please stop quoting me. I NEVER said Subaru will be 5 - 6 K more expensive than Scion. So, STOP quoting me. I do knot now what you do not understand.

Maybe because what you have written isn't the most clear use of the English language. I'm seriously trying to understand what you mean and have been trying to clarify. Can you state it one more time clearly.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

That's the limited BRZ but add in the alcantara\leather seats...and yes that could be $3k more than a Base FR-S.

But yeah we don't know the difference yet, but we are close because we already know what's in the Toyota 86.....

But dual climate might be standard on all BRZs?...I doubt it because it looks like they want to charge $2k to $3k more between the premium and limited BRZ. Alcantara\leather trimmed seats are not $2k to $3k more.

You can get an understanding of what the price difference between the BRZ models by looking at WRX pricing. They only charge $1k more for the FULL leather seats with HIDS in the WRX limited.

Sure Scion is monospec right now, but that does not mean they will make the FR-S monospec.

Actually going through the subaru wet site and they are very competitive on pricing...I would say the BRZ premium will only be $1k higher at most than a base FR-S..just because of the Navi and HIDs being standard.

$23k Scion FR-S
$24k BRZ Premium
$26k BRZ limited

I'm fairly certain the Scion will be monospec. Why would it not? Nothing in Scion's history says they will change this philosophy.

[FX-GT]

I already apologized that my first post was not clear in my first response to you and clarified multiple times, so this will be the last time. I do not care if you do not udnerstand after this.

We DO NOT know the price at this moment. That's the WHOLE POINT.

BRZ Premium low end ESTIMATED price = $23K
BRZ Premium high end ESTIMATED price = $28K
difference = $5K

FR-S low end ESTIMATED price = $20K
FR-S high end ESTIMATED price = $25K
difference = $5K

When the actual prices are out, Toyota/Subaru could come up with any number of reasons why the actual prices are what they are, ranging from the strong yen to the Tsunami that has disturbed the supply chain and production to this is not a car for the mass.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

$23k Scion FR-S
$24k BRZ Premium
$26k BRZ limited

I like your enthusiasm! If the cars debut like this I won't have to agonize over Limited vs. New wheels.

[Vr4gasmtt]

Originally Posted by Vr4gasmtt

Okay the car will be 22-24. Itll be more than 21 and less than 25.

Those saying its going to be 20-21 should go buy a tC. One thing everyone on this forum fails to understand is inflation. TC used to sell for 17k now they're 19?

Think of how much a brand new Miata cost or even the generic genesis. Those are the cara to compare to. It's not that hard.. If its more than 25 nobody will buy it. If its less than 22 they'll be losing money. Hell they can price it at 23 and people will still buy it.

On another note. Thread Jacking. But is there another ft86/frs forum that doesn't have a bunch of flame wars w a bunch of 18 year olds saying they're gonna get one? when in reality they're not gonna get anything?

Just saying.

^ I think this guy had the right idea. /end thread

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by FX-GT

I already apologized that my first post was not clear in my first response to you and clarified multiple times, so this will be the last time. I do not care if you do not udnerstand after this.

We DO NOT know the price at this moment. That's the WHOLE POINT.

BRZ Premium low end ESTIMATED price = $23K
BRZ Premium high end ESTIMATED price = $28K
difference = $5K

FR-S low end ESTIMATED price = $20K
FR-S high end ESTIMATED price = $25K
difference = $5K

When the actual prices are out, Toyota/Subaru could come up with any number of reasons why the actual prices are what they are, ranging from the strong yen to the Tsunami that has disturbed the supply chain and production to this is not a car for the mass.

I think you are forgetting the BRZ Limited which would be your high end premium price. If we follow your high end premium price the BRZ limited would be in the $30k range and that would not work.

I think the whole supply chain has pretty much caught up now due to the Tsunami. I haven't heard reports that they are still being affected by that.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Vr4gasmtt

^ I think this guy had the right idea. /end thread

Did you just quote yourself. Lol

[FX-GT]

transformerz, the real question I have is "does Subaru really want to sell this car?". I do not know. As you (and many others) point out, Scion cannot be priced too much lower than BRZ, so if BRZ is priced on a higher side, then so will be FR-S, automatically. Let's hope that will not happen.

Another VERY UNLIKELY scenario is that BRZ will be priced at a ridiculously high price and Scion will be still priced very reasonably. The reason this could happen is that Subaru manufactures both BRZ and FR-S. Subaru can maintain the volume to make a business sense in the US and avoid cannibalizing the WRX market at the same time.