Good Article: Yes, Toyota and Subaru Can... Save Driving!

[Kids Heart]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I honestly think it's a personal opinion about cars really getting boring and not a fact. If you put me in a MX5 where I live in Georgia and that car would most likely bore the shit out of me. How come? I don't live where there is a whole lot of sharp turns and curves so most of my driving will be in a straight line where passing punch and hill climbing is done on a daily basis. The only way I would enjoy a MX5 type car is if I frequently go to Road Atlanta(which I've never been) with it. If the powerful cars are so boring then why are they outselling the momentum cars then? Because everybody doesn't share the same opinion.

The thrill of my day is I20E to I85N ramp. I know drivers that drift on/off ramps in metro Atlanta. If you get that bored Atlanta driving head up to US129 Blood Mountain or a little further to Deals Gap NC/Tenn.

But keep it off of the streets Atlanta Motorsports Park is about to open.

[tripjammer]

What gets me is why did Subaru put navigation into the BRZ as standard equipment? I guess they are really trying to price the car higher than the FR-S.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

ITR was putty good. Loved my buddy's until it got jacked.

OMG yeah...I forgot I use to own a integra back in the day..not a ITR...but yeah the ITR is bad assed! Come on Acura bring that car back!


Honda needs to do this...bring back..

NSX (they doing it)
S2000 (they need to do it)
Integra (they really need to do it and name it integra not RSX!!!)
CRX (yeah a real CRX not a hybrid one...)
Prelude (OMG bring the damn Prelude back!)

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

What gets me is why did Subaru put navigation into the BRZ as standard equipment? I guess they are really trying to price the car higher than the FR-S.

If the BRZ is going to be $1000-1500 more than the BRZ, they need to throw in some extras to make the price worthwhile besides the badge, blue color and headlights.

[e30kawi]

Was a good read and agree with the e30 and honda civic comments. My old 325i was a hoot to drive, and my civic is tiny compared to my wifes 08 model. Stoked about any iteration of the 86 I can get my hands on.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I honestly think it's a personal opinion about cars really getting boring and not a fact. If you put me in a MX5 where I live in Georgia and that car would most likely bore the shit out of me. How come? I don't live where there is a whole lot of sharp turns and curves so most of my driving will be in a straight line where passing punch and hill climbing is done on a daily basis. The only way I would enjoy a MX5 type car is if I frequently go to Road Atlanta(which I've never been) with it. If the powerful cars are so boring then why are they outselling the momentum cars then? Because everybody doesn't share the same opinion.

While I don't agree with you..and i think that today's built cars are boring or at least becoming boring with all the driver aids increasing every year, Regardless if it has 200hp or 600hp.

but You got a point though! The thing that makes the FRS/BRZ shine is the road itself. and If that road is a big straight line, like the ones you would find in a big portion of america, Its completely out of its element. It becomes a useless car. Because it stips the driver element from the experience of driving this particular car.

So when you say MX5 or BRZ is boring, I don't think you really meant boring. i think you meant the cars are utterly useless, in which i heartily agree. The Bugatti Veyron is a useless car at a mountain pass, a speed boat is useless in a small lake. ect... In a road like Road Atlanta or the Autobanh in Europe, when you consider this car as a performance car it becomes..."boring".

[SunnyD]

It's refreshing to see an article like this, as it accurately reflects how I feel. Where the author draws a comparison to the CTS-V, I can relate to what it's like having a high hp sedan coming from an BMW E60 M5. While it was blazingly fast on the fwy, I just didn't get much enjoyment out of it. Where do you comfortably use 500 hp on a day to day basis (without getting arrested)? Having a lot of hp doesn't equate to the car being fun to drive.

Ever since I sold my e36 m3 for the m5, I've been dying to get into a smaller, lighter car that I can track again. I've gladly sold my M5 and am awaiting the release of the FR-S!

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

If the BRZ is going to be $1000-1500 more than the BRZ, they need to throw in some extras to make the price worthwhile besides the badge, blue color and headlights.

I agree. I am thinking they are not going to price the BRZ limited real crazy high...

what we got in the limited vs premium is:

leather\Alcantara heated seats
Dualzone AC with Push Start


How are these two items worth the $3000 rumored price difference between the BRZ Premium and the Limited?

The Subaru WRX limited gives you full leather seats and HIDS for $1000 in price difference over the WRX Premium.

I think the BRZ Limited is going to be a lot cheaper than people think.

Subaru is like Scion you get a lot of value for your money...

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by pastuch

You need to drive it like you stole it. I have a 4km drive to work and in the winter my Miata is sideways for 2kms of it. Yes, I drive like an Asshole but that's my choice. I love being sideways while driving the speed limit. The author of this article understands the madness that is me. I want to go around corners at the same speed as I accelerate from a light. I want to merge at three times the speed of an average driver.

No, I don't think this article's author would understand you. He (and surely many others) would say that you need to take that sh*t to the track before you kill someone. And you can own up to being an asshole on the road and then justify it by saying it's your choice, but then when you go "sideways" into a car with a law-abiding family in it and kill everyone inside, your "choice" would just be wrong.

[brillo]

Most of the others cars mentioned (RX8, Miata, S2000) come with some form of major compromise. The FR-S/BRZ are affordable, quick, light weight, fuel efficient and roomy enough to be a daily driver. The RX8 (I paid 25,000 for my base model) is the closest to matching the FR-S for those qualities, but it is not nearly as efficient in terms of economy.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by brillo

Most of the others cars mentioned (RX8, Miata, S2000) come with some form of major compromise. The FR-S/BRZ are affordable, quick, light weight, fuel efficient and roomy enough to be a daily driver. The RX8 (I paid 25,000 for my base model) is the closest to matching the FR-S for those qualities, but it is not nearly as efficient in terms of economy.

Mazda will fix this in the upcomming RX9...their skyactive stuff gets good MPG...they just need to merge it with the rotary engine.

And make the RX9 a real coupe not a weird 3 door coupe.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

OMG yeah...I forgot I use to own a integra back in the day..not a ITR...but yeah the ITR is bad assed! Come on Acura bring that car back!


Honda needs to do this...bring back..

NSX (they doing it)
S2000 (they need to do it)
Integra (they really need to do it and name it integra not RSX!!!)
CRX (yeah a real CRX not a hybrid one...)
Prelude (OMG bring the damn Prelude back!)

I'm getting an FR-S instead of another Prelude, personally.

Though my heart still yearns for an H swapped 3rd gen 4ws.

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by ryun84

No, I don't think this article's author would understand you. He (and surely many others) would say that you need to take that sh*t to the track before you kill someone. And you can own up to being an asshole on the road and then justify it by saying it's your choice, but then when you go "sideways" into a car with a law-abiding family in it and kill everyone inside, your "choice" would just be wrong.

This needed to be said again.

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by ryun84

No, I don't think this article's author would understand you. He (and surely many others) would say that you need to take that sh*t to the track before you kill someone. And you can own up to being an asshole on the road and then justify it by saying it's your choice, but then when you go "sideways" into a car with a law-abiding family in it and kill everyone inside, your "choice" would just be wrong.

You said exactly what I was thinking.