Fish Tailing - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Subie · 01-23-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laika

Forgetting driving on them, you aren't even supposed to store your Michelin Primacy tires below 45F.

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Wattage · 01-23-2013, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laika

As they say..."Quoted for truth"

Forgetting driving on them, you aren't even supposed to store your Michelin Primacy tires below 45F.

wait

what?

....fuck

russv · 01-23-2013, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster

You live in Florida, I dont think you have experienced snow/ice roads before. And yes the cold weather renders the stock michellin tires useless, I know that from experience. It has nothing to do with driver error, come up to Minnesota in negative degree weather and drive on our roads for a day with stock tires and write a review about it.

It's driver error if your driving too fast for the conditions -"steeping on it" and "switched to the right lane really fast". Being raised in Colorado and driven in sub zero and snowy conditions, and on crappy roads, this is a driving style that is not appropriate for the conditions.

speed3 · 01-24-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kchkwan

i was on 3rd gear, started releasing the throttle as i passed him

Sounds like lift of oversteer, were you turning at the same time?

If you make a sudden turn and back off the power you're transferring weight forward and outside the centre of gravity unloading the rear suspension.

edward · 01-24-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Subie

Thanks you soooo much. The Wire is the best TV show (hell, screen media) I've ever seen.

But seriously.

Grishbok · 01-24-2013, 12:30 AM

A car does not do anything the driver does not tell it to. You upset the chassis through abrupt and incorrect inputs. Please be careful, this car isnt a beginner vehicle. If you respect the balance of the car, the car will respect your inputs.

BRZfan · 01-24-2013, 01:08 AM

One of two things:
Ypu hit a patch of ice you did not see OR
as you turned back into the left lane one of your rear tires crushes a really fat cat (too slow to get out of the way). The excess fat and hot tires caused the tire to lose traction and control then became difficult.

Advice: One, watch for animals, especially Dobermans and two:

Don't ever drive a Porsche 911 type of car. Inexperienced drivers have learned the hard way (about Fishtailing).

ST185RC · 01-24-2013, 01:32 AM

Traction control saved op most likely even with sport mode on. If he didn't lift, the car would have attempted to regain traction lifting for him. Is it that easy to have the rear slip out on primacies? Well, yeah, those things are worthless in snow and even in the rain. Worse thing you can do is cut throttle suddenly while sliding.

Respect the car, it most likely saved you from smacking a curb at the very least. Try that on an s2000 and you would most likely have lost it by being so badass.

Driver error. Calm the hell down.

michaelahess · 01-24-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wattage

wait

what?

....fuck

I agree...WHAT? I have no choice, no heated garage, car gets to sit in the -20 degree weather, whether I want it to or not. Never heard storing tires under a certain temp was bad. My truck tires don't seem to mind...

Explain please?

Grishbok · 01-24-2013, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelahess

I agree...WHAT? I have no choice, no heated garage, car gets to sit in the -20 degree weather, whether I want it to or not. Never heard storing tires under a certain temp was bad. My truck tires don't seem to mind...

Explain please?

The rubber compounds used in summer tires are contructed to operate in a certain temperature range. When extreme cold hits, the compound condenses and drops beyond the point it was designed to, causing undue stress on the tire, most commonly making the tire very VERY hard and as a result, traction is compromised. In extreme cases, the tire can crack and even shatter.
It also goes to note that you can impair the integrity of the tire simply by driving the summer tire in winter due to the friction of the tire on the road. The friction causes the exterior of the tire to heat up faster than the rest and can again, excellerate wear, crack, or even drop chunks on the road.

Gords_zenith · 01-24-2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kchkwan

I unno if its my being too aggressive during traffic or some sort or the tires are just crap...

i'm running those stock primacy tires, i was stuck in traffic and the roads are dry, maybe a lot of salt on the ground. Green light, i stepped on it to pass the slow ass car in front me

. I was on the left lane behind the slow poke, switched to right lane really fast, accelerate pass the car, switch left lane after I passed his front, then BAMB! the rear flew out! i went into four consecutive fish tails. At the time I had my VSC sport on, passing the vehicle at 60-70km/hr. WTH... why is it so easy to throw the tail out on a simple lane change?!?

Is it the weight? the tires? or me?

You Sir, are an idiot!

GNS · 01-24-2013, 02:44 AM

Sounds like you need to learn how not to endanger other people on the road by using your summers in the winter. Buy a dedicated winter setup or take the TTC.

strat61caster · 01-24-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GNS

Sounds like you need to learn how not to endanger other people on the road by using your summers in the winter. Buy a dedicated winter setup or take the TTC.

Even if you remove the conditions and tires the maneuvers he described were overly aggressive and could have warranted being pulled over, hell losing control of his car as he described constitutes reckless driving.

Without a doubt irresponsible regardless of any other information.

NOHOME · 01-24-2013, 12:11 PM

The car is a RWD and despite all the noise to the contrary, has a fair bit of torque delivered to the rear wheels.

If you are not used to driving a (somewhat) powerful RWD car is low traction conditions, you are going to have a few tank slappers like your described. The stock tires are certainly going to make this a regular event.

Was driving around in a fresh snowfall this morning. Had a little fun with the nannies turned full "OFF" and then switched back for the commute. Even with the nannies set to full "ON" this car manages to shake its tail. The "Sport" mode allows some pretty good slip angles before it steps in and unless I wanted to be focused the whole time I am driving, I would not bother.

It would be educational to drive a Mustang in similar snow conditions to see how it behaves.

01-24-2013, 12:30 AM	#34
Grishbok Volunteer Fire and Rescue Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Ambulance... sideways. Location: No. VA Posts: 546 Thanks: 97 Thanked 350 Times in 166 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A car does not do anything the driver does not tell it to. You upset the chassis through abrupt and incorrect inputs. Please be careful, this car isnt a beginner vehicle. If you respect the balance of the car, the car will respect your inputs. __________________ It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow.

01-24-2013, 01:08 AM	#35
BRZfan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013BRZ Premium St Silver Metallic Location: USA Posts: 824 Thanks: 79 Thanked 212 Times in 156 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	One of two things: Ypu hit a patch of ice you did not see OR as you turned back into the left lane one of your rear tires crushes a really fat cat (too slow to get out of the way). The excess fat and hot tires caused the tire to lose traction and control then became difficult. Advice: One, watch for animals, especially Dobermans and two: Don't ever drive a Porsche 911 type of car. Inexperienced drivers have learned the hard way (about Fishtailing).

01-24-2013, 01:32 AM	#36
ST185RC Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: White Out FR-S Location: Canada Posts: 672 Thanks: 31 Thanked 511 Times in 242 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Traction control saved op most likely even with sport mode on. If he didn't lift, the car would have attempted to regain traction lifting for him. Is it that easy to have the rear slip out on primacies? Well, yeah, those things are worthless in snow and even in the rain. Worse thing you can do is cut throttle suddenly while sliding. Respect the car, it most likely saved you from smacking a curb at the very least. Try that on an s2000 and you would most likely have lost it by being so badass. Driver error. Calm the hell down.

01-24-2013, 02:44 AM	#40
GNS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: . Location: Ontario Posts: 350 Thanks: 28 Thanked 223 Times in 105 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sounds like you need to learn how not to endanger other people on the road by using your summers in the winter. Buy a dedicated winter setup or take the TTC.

01-24-2013, 12:11 PM	#42
NOHOME Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: RAVEN Location: LONDON ONTARIO Posts: 795 Thanks: 86 Thanked 800 Times in 346 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	The car is a RWD and despite all the noise to the contrary, has a fair bit of torque delivered to the rear wheels. If you are not used to driving a (somewhat) powerful RWD car is low traction conditions, you are going to have a few tank slappers like your described. The stock tires are certainly going to make this a regular event. Was driving around in a fresh snowfall this morning. Had a little fun with the nannies turned full "OFF" and then switched back for the commute. Even with the nannies set to full "ON" this car manages to shake its tail. The "Sport" mode allows some pretty good slip angles before it steps in and unless I wanted to be focused the whole time I am driving, I would not bother. It would be educational to drive a Mustang in similar snow conditions to see how it behaves.

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