Fish Tailing - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

ZDan · 01-23-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kchkwan

switched to right lane really fast, accelerate pass the car, switch left lane after I passed his front, then BAMB! the rear flew out!

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considering the fact i enjoy cutting lanes at nite.

I see, you're one of those guys in a sporty car who feels like he has to YANK the wheel hard when changing lanes, 'cuz it feels SPORTY, right?!

Well, you're doing it wrong...
Summer tires are crap in cold weather, but you shouldn't be on the brink of losing control simply changing lanes passing somebody.

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the crap part was that i didn't stomp the throttle. i was on 3rd gear, started releasing the throttle as i passed him so i don't go 20kms over speed limit lol... im so lost on wut happened...

News flash: Getting OFF the gas induces OVERsteer (i.e., "fishtailing").

This is Driving 101: ON the gas generally induces UNDERsteer (i.e., push), NOT OVERSTEER as the F&F franchinse might have you believe. Sure, if you have enough horsepower you can break rear traction, but in 3rd gear in an FT86 car? No way. The way you lost rear traction was overaggressive steering input and getting off the gas.

Be SMOOOVE! And take it easy out there...

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 09:37 PM

no i don't cut if im not in traffic, i can't stand traffic, thats why i don't drive typically untill 11pm and after, im nocturnal due to the congestion of ppl and traffic in Toronto. Night life only for me. Im forced to drive in traffic today due to school, otherwise, screw driving before 10pm...

yea i guess i went over my head today with the road rage, i didn't think bout the tires i had on. I'll keep that in mind nxt time for sure

Calin · 01-23-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kchkwan

I unno if its my being too aggressive during traffic or some sort or the tires are just crap...

Wut?

LeeMaster · 01-23-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Sounds like driver error to me.

You live in Florida, I dont think you have experienced snow/ice roads before. And yes the cold weather renders the stock michellin tires useless, I know that from experience. It has nothing to do with driver error, come up to Minnesota in negative degree weather and drive on our roads for a day with stock tires and write a review about it.

Longhorn248 · 01-23-2013, 09:45 PM

If you fishtail in the car it's because you made it fishtail. Personally, unless I want to slide the car around a bit around corners I leave all the drivers aides on.

Subie · 01-23-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster

You live in Florida, I dont think you have experienced snow/ice roads before. And yes the cold weather renders the stock michellin tires useless, I know that from experience. It has nothing to do with driver error, come up to Minnesota in negative degree weather and drive on our roads for a day with stock tires and write a review about it.

It's driver error to expect summer tires to perform well during high-speed maneuvers in cold weather. Do you disagree?

Dave-ROR · 01-23-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster

You live in Florida, I dont think you have experienced snow/ice roads before. And yes the cold weather renders the stock michellin tires useless, I know that from experience. It has nothing to do with driver error, come up to Minnesota in negative degree weather and drive on our roads for a day with stock tires and write a review about it.

I grew up in northern Ohio and have driven on ice.

If you drive a car with tires you know aren't capable of the conditions, and then drive it aggressively as he stated, it's driver error. Period. He's driving outside the known limits of the vehicle given the conditions. That is *not* a problem with the car.

Hell he's even turning on VSC sport. In negative 0 degree weather. Come on now....

LeeMaster · 01-23-2013, 10:12 PM

^ Yes and yes to the two post above. My instincts kicked in because I saw your location and thought you was those typical FL boys with no experience in snow trying to tell us snow people we cant 'drive'. I forgot to think about 'driver error' having to do with the OP not changing his summer tires to winter tires. I apologize.

GTB/ZR-1 · 01-23-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster

My instincts kicked in because I saw your location and thought you was those typical FL boys with no experience in snow trying to tell us snow people we cant 'drive'.

Another FL boy here that learned how to drive in (A LOT) of snow in NY, off Lake Ontario.

The OP needs to chill a bit, or wrecking will be imminent--gotta drive within the conditions--no matter where you live. My .02...

Pete156 · 01-23-2013, 10:59 PM

At the risk of pissing some people off, I'm guessing the OP is under 25 years old. That would explain a lot. Am I right?

Burrcold · 01-23-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete156

At the risk of pissing some people off, I'm guessing the OP is under 25 years old. That would explain a lot. Am I right?

I would say under 20, since he started the post with "I unno".

rhoyle · 01-23-2013, 11:13 PM

The OP made a comment about using sport because the clutch feels smoother. Am I mistaken here or does the VSC/Sport mode have nothing to do w the clutch/throttle?

Dave-ROR · 01-23-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyle

The OP made a comment about using sport because the clutch feels smoother. Am I mistaken here or does the VSC/Sport mode have nothing to do w the clutch/throttle?

Maybe he meant wheelspin is allowed when you dump the clutch so it's "smoother"?

But you are correct, VSC Sport has nothing to do with clutch operation.

Laika · 01-23-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chenshuo

Toronto is -18C these days, your summer rubber is going to be like circular bricks. OF COURSE you'll have less traction.
It's like you walk in the snow bare feet and asking "why are my feet so cold?"

As they say..."Quoted for truth"

Forgetting driving on them, you aren't even supposed to store your Michelin Primacy tires below 45F.

01-23-2013, 10:12 PM	#22
LeeMaster Red wine Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Subaru BRZ(R.I.P) Location: Denied Posts: 1,176 Thanks: 1,268 Thanked 342 Times in 240 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^ Yes and yes to the two post above. My instincts kicked in because I saw your location and thought you was those typical FL boys with no experience in snow trying to tell us snow people we cant 'drive'. I forgot to think about 'driver error' having to do with the OP not changing his summer tires to winter tires. I apologize. __________________

01-23-2013, 09:37 PM	#16
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	no i don't cut if im not in traffic, i can't stand traffic, thats why i don't drive typically untill 11pm and after, im nocturnal due to the congestion of ppl and traffic in Toronto. Night life only for me. Im forced to drive in traffic today due to school, otherwise, screw driving before 10pm... yea i guess i went over my head today with the road rage, i didn't think bout the tires i had on. I'll keep that in mind nxt time for sure

01-23-2013, 11:13 PM	#26
rhoyle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: BRZ SWP 6MT Location: ICT Posts: 142 Thanks: 33 Thanked 54 Times in 31 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The OP made a comment about using sport because the clutch feels smoother. Am I mistaken here or does the VSC/Sport mode have nothing to do w the clutch/throttle?

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