who's afraid of buying the first Gen?

[goldenfri]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Other than the overly soft suspension tuning of the '08 WRX, which the media portrayed with good accuracy, what's the joke?

'08 Subaru releases new WRX, '09 they add 41hp, car is pretty much the same price.

'08 224hp -> '09 265hp

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Look up the difference between an '08 and '09 WRX, who wouldn't be envious of a later model.

The joke implies much greater things to come.

The first few results in google show a 40hp difference? A bigger one would be the Mustang GT old motor to the new one :P

That's a turbo car, change the turbo and you can (obviously) get that with exhaust changes and different turbo.

Toyota was involved in testing as well. I doubt the car will change greatly for a few years, and then the change will be a tuned model IMO.

[mines13]

Ala S2000. the big changes were 04 (2.2) 06 DBW/traction control.

[MF_DEUCE]

Originally Posted by igorot

If the depreciation is not that bad, I may consider trading in for an upgraded version

Same. The upgrade has to be major, like night and day.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE

Same. The upgrade has to be major, like night and day.

So night vision front mounted camera? That would be sweet

There would have to be significant styling modifications and an engine upgrade for me to switch cars when a newer model is released. Otherwise I plan to stick with the BRZ for at least 5-6 years.

[Zaku]

Im not worried about it aside my FC3s every other car I've own is of it's first gen and first year. So it's nothing new, sometimes I don't like the trend where the cars of the first gen is clean looking then they get so aggressive and fat that I don't like them(Eclipse for example.) So no problem here that and you might get a lower price to buy use. Now... I hope it doesn't have big problems like say RX8 in it's first year.

[RYU]

Originally Posted by subatoy

appart from all the bugs and stuff that come from new cars/engines
I feel like the second I purchase this car they will announce a stronger version (STI maybe). I'm sure that if any turbo/supercharged versions
are being worked on, they will keep their mouths shut so that these news
won't affect initial sales.

I've waited so long for this car that I can't wait another year or so to see what happens.
I'm sure a lot of you feel the same way.

Depends if you're willing to pay extra for the STi. The reason I like this car so much is partly because of what you get for under $25k (I hope!). I'm not sure if at $30k+ i'd be willing to pay for a FI version.

It's also tough to say if a FI version will be out for this at all. Autoblog said when this motor was designed it resulted in simply no room for a turbo where traditional boxer turbos were placed. It's also a new motor with 12.5:1 compression. That is not FI friendly at all. They'd likely have to drop the compression and package it with a weirdly mounted turbo. That's basically a significant redesign.

Another option is to go SC. TRD has a strong history of using Magnuson for thier SC (I have one in my Tacoma). Packaging wise, that seems more logical but they still have to deal with the high compression issue. That won't be so easy for the dealer to handle since all TRD SC units I know of are dealer installed not factory installed.

I think FI isn't until way way way down the line.. maybe after 4th yr at least and will require engine internals to be changed.

[cassidy0998]

I thought about this too - but then again - I, like several others have said - have waited quite a long time for this car. And I'm only looking for a daily driver. It looks like we may see a convertible and possibly a higher performance variant coming later down the road, but neither would do me justice as far as a daily commuter goes. (I intend to have fun with the car on the side) but I won't be disappointed if a turbo model comes out or if they manage to squeeze a little more power out of the current setup.

They have been working on this car for a while, and want it to be right - They're trying to make a good impression. Every car will have its flaws from the get go, but I don't think it will be as flawed as something like the first gen GC was when it was first released.

Toyota/Subaru wants this car to have a good reputation, for many reasons.

[CSSM]

I am a college student, I wont be looking at the sti anyway.

If there is a bug the dealer will fix it

[ft86Fan]

Originally Posted by mines13

Ala S2000. the big changes were 04 (2.2) 06 DBW/traction control.

So you are willing to wait 4 years? By the way, a lot of people prefer the AP1 over the AP2.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ft86Fan

So you are willing to wait 4 years? By the way, a lot of people prefer the AP1 over the AP2.

And I prefered my 06 over the 04-05 and AP1s.

AP1 9000RPM redline is awesome, but the AP2s are more livable and I always beat the 05 and older cars in autocross with my DBW 06 :P

[Spaceywilly]

I'm going to (hopefully) buy it now because it's cheap and has plenty of power as it is. In 3 years when my warranty expires I'll be able to see what's out there for turbo kits/engine swaps or just trade it in for the STI version.

I'd rather take my own route to getting more power than waiting to see what they do to it. If you want to wait until you know you are getting the best version you will be waiting forever.

[subatoy]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Other than the overly soft suspension tuning of the '08 WRX, which the media portrayed with good accuracy, what's the joke?

40 less HP and torque,
all the suspension bits and the wide body kit with better wheels and tires
added in 2011.

[Spaceywilly]

The extra 40hp from 08 to 09 was just a retune I think, the hardware was not changed. I doubt they'll suddenly discover 40 more hp in this engine next year like they did with the WRX, and if they do it should be easy enough to get a reflash (Crawford apparently already has the ability). WRX engines have always left a lot of power on the table for whatever reason and anyone can get 265hp with a simple and free open source tune. I don't think the BRZ engine will have as much potential in its stock form, but if Subaru is able to squeeze any more power out of it in future MYs, you can bet the aftermarket will be able to do the same.

From the reviews so far it sounds like there are no complaints about the suspension, and it already looks great, so I don't see what there is to wait for. If you buy it now, you will probably be looking to trade it in right around the time they are coming out with a turbo model (all indications are that it won't be anytime soon), or maybe when the turbos are just hitting the used market, so you are still better off than someone who waited a few years and then bought the mid cycle refresh just for that extra 40hp (which most people who bought right away will already be running).