Anyone put UEL headers on this car yet?

[nix]

Originally Posted by Nafe

Not saying I am the judiciary of anything, mate. care to quote a line where I did?
BUT rice is something that adds no performance to a vehicle and is there for a "look at me" factor. It's not really an "each to their own" thing... Desired exhaust sound is for sure, but not the definition of rice. It reduces the performance and adds to a look at me factor. Pretty straight froward stuff.
Yeah, LEDs and fart cans are rice for the same reason this is. They add no performance and add to look at me... Same thing, just your example is the opposite end of the scale....
As I said, if someone wants that sound, good for them, we all have our own opinion on waht sounds good, but it detracts performance. Simple.

You're calling people out based on subjective opinion, not facts.

I'll be watching for more numbers and sound clips. Even some of the higher boost turbo cars we're seeing sound like sewing machines to me and my cars are always about the driver not dyno queens.

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by driftartist

Ill chime in and disagree respectfully. By the norm, Subarus sound like that by default (uel header) its only amplified by an exhaust. Now the engine is still engineered by subaru the platform is the same but the equal length exhaust manifold doesnt have the trademark subaru sound. It isnt rice in my opinion to change it to make that sound because it is an owners/enthusiasts preference. If i want to change my shift knob to a red one to match my car that has no gain in engine performance it is not rice. Rice is distasteful/classless modification.

Besides wether or not we change our manifolds to an equal or unequal length is irrelevant because either way the removal of that restrictive cat manifold will be a gain itself. Its just now a matter of who likes what sound.

Also, when shopping for exhaust, we shop around to find the most productive product but also has a cool layout and finish and some like them loud. Others like them quiet. In either case what im trying to say is dont judge people based on their preference.

Its no different than if i want to wear a black shirt or a blue shirt based on the way i want to look. Judgement is for wannbe posers. Dont be a poser be an enthusiast and let people make their own choices without ridicule. Kay? Kay!

Dude, I am not knocking anyone’s choices/preferences, and certainly not judging anyone for their own choices. I actually clearly said that. Very clearly said that.
If someone likes the boxer noise, that’s totally cool. My point was the use of UEL headers may reduce the performance, nothing to. If something reduces performance and changes the sound, it’s rice by definition. Hell my car will have some “rice” on it too. I am putting a TRD gearknob on my car. Do I consider it rice? Yeah. It doesn’t help performance but it looks cool. My TRD spoiler will likely have very little gains at all, but it looks cool. My choice of rims are wider than stock, but I am not putting wide tyres on them, and I doubt that they will be much lighter, but I like them.
I am not saying it is right or wrong to do that at all, and I am not saying you shouldn’t have ricey stuff. People can do whatever they want with their own cars
My whole point was at the guy saying “stop misusing the term rice, it isn’t rice”
You guys should maybe check out the post I first quoted to get some perspective on what I was saying
Kay? Kay!

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by wheelhaus

Of the upcoming exhaust designs for the FRZ/BRZ, I don't expect any will "reduce" power from stock. They should all make gains. Granted, EL is expected to make a bit more. But, if one EL header is making everyone on teh internets go OMGBONERTYME because it makes the most horzpowahs, that doesn't relegate all the other EL designs to be instant rice or poser because they produce a few less ponies. If a few designs are UEL (but still produce gains over stock), so be it. After all, it IS a boxer engine, so, therefore, having that signature deep snarl of a boxer does not make it rice. Opinions are a dime a dozen, but this is clearly not a "rice" item.

Flashy LED valve caps? sure. LFA body kit? Sure. Racing stripes or a big phat spoiler? Sure. Boxer rumble from a Boxer engine? nope.

Sweet mate, as I said in my original post “someone more informed than me can feel free to correct me”. If you don’t think that they will decrease in power, then cool. We know they won’t be as power productive as EL though. We will just wait and see some results then
And neither am I suggesting that header b is rice because it makes less power than header a, if they both produce more than stock headers. I am suggesting that if UEL makes less power than stock and is there only for noise, then yes, it is rice....
Once again, I didn’t say that the boxer burble is rice either. Please read a post in full before posting something about it

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by nix

You're calling people out based on subjective opinion, not facts.

I'll be watching for more numbers and sound clips. Even some of the higher boost turbo cars we're seeing sound like sewing machines to me and my cars are always about the driver not dyno queens.

Well, no, not really. EL headers WILL make more power than UEL headers.. That isn’t a subjective opinion, that is a fact?
And you say I am “Calling people out on subjective opinion”, then what exactly are you calling me out on?? Certainly not fact, but your own opinion...

With regards to the sounds of exhaust, we will all like and hate different ones. I like some of the ones I ave heard, and hate some of them

[driftartist]

My point is that any header uel or not will be better than a fat ass cat where te oem one is dude. Thats what im saying

[Nafe]

cool, your post said alot more than that, but no worries dude
I won't be running cat less

[nix]

That's not a fact, for example the AP EL header made no gain over the stock header, which itself is UEL.

The stock header has easily pushed 300+ hp on FI setups. Maybe with a very extreme UEL design the loss would be noticeable but I don't think many shops would market a product like that.

[driftartist]

Wow. This forum

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by nix

That's not a fact, for example the AP EL header made no gain over the stock header, which itself is UEL.

The stock header has easily pushed 300+ hp on FI setups. Maybe with a very extreme UEL design the loss would be noticeable but I don't think many shops would market a product like that.

uhhhh... Stock header is EL dude....

[nix]

Originally Posted by Nafe

uhhhh... Stock header is EL dude....

They are different length runners (30% apparently) but the firing order alternates into them. If you look at the suby sound UELs they pool banks with one a lot longer to get that pulse going. I am no suby guy though, just my 2c.

[meeks]

Originally Posted by wheelhaus

Of the upcoming exhaust designs for the FRZ/BRZ, I don't expect any will "reduce" power from stock. They should all make gains. Granted, EL is expected to make a bit more. But, if one EL header is making everyone on teh internets go OMGBONERTYME because it makes the most horzpowahs, that doesn't relegate all the other EL designs to be instant rice or poser because they produce a few less ponies. If a few designs are UEL (but still produce gains over stock), so be it. After all, it IS a boxer engine, so, therefore, having that signature deep snarl of a boxer does not make it rice. Opinions are a dime a dozen, but this is clearly not a "rice" item.

Flashy LED valve caps? sure. LFA body kit? Sure. Racing stripes or a big phat spoiler? Sure. Boxer rumble from a Boxer engine? nope.

thank you.

[d1ck]

Not a fan of the UEL sound here either. They just sound broken to me. I can make my integra sound like that by unplugging a spark plug. I want to keep the smooth sound that my FR-S has now.
A buddy of mine has a WRX and put EL headers on it sounds so much better than stock.

[CaliDMV]

Originally Posted by Nafe

uhhhh... Stock header is EL dude....

Stock is UEL by 30% variance. Not enough for that rumble people are looking for.

[usptwins]

Well, since this thread has DERAILED big time, i don't guess very many people have put UEL on the BRZ/86.... but, lets keep the personal preferences to a minimum of 0... that way everyone gets along without hurting anyones feelings and we can all come together and give everyone what they want when it comes to aftermarket. Thanks