Valve spring recall - CEL and Slip Light now on

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

OK, oh wise one. If your car was the same age but only had 23,000 miles on it, would you feel the same way?





humfrz

I wouldn't do it if it survived break-in.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I wouldn't do it if it survived break-in.

Thanks.

I'm kind of leaning that way - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" - has served me well, over the years (most of the time - ).


humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Thanks.

I'm kind of leaning that way - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" - has served me well, over the years (most of the time - ).

This is a classic example of one of my mantras "It'll either break right away or it'll last forever."

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

This is a classic example of one of my mantras "It'll either break right away or it'll last forever."

Bathtub curve.

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by maslin

If you take your car to the dealer they will want to do the recall. Some states (California?) won't let you renew your registration without completing the recall.

They can't require you to come in. If you don't want to get it done, don't get it done. Recalls never expire. Never. If you hold off and a spring fails in 10 years, it will all be fixed under the recall.
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What about when a recall fix was performed but the part goes bad later anyway? We had "the fix" on the rear brake lines on our 06 OB done way back when, a year and a half ago they rotted through anyway. Subaru wouldn't even consider working with me on replacing the lines at that time because the recall had expired.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Bathtub curve.

For these springs the first component of the curve dominates. Especially, those engines that survive cold start in Minnesota and Illinois in the next few days.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

For these springs the first component of the curve dominates. Especially, those engines that survive cold start in Minnesota and Illinois in the next few days.

Yep, in my case, many cold starts, run till just get warmed up, shut down.

I would think that if a valve spring was going to come unsprung, it would have done it within the first 5 years -

Besides, you know how many of those pneumatic screen/storm door closers you have ran across - that have failed?

Now, compare that to the old screen door closing springs that have worked for years and still work.




humfrz

[AngelGT86Racer]

Originally Posted by maslin

They can't require you to come in. If you don't want to get it done, don't get it done. Recalls never expire. Never. If you hold off and a spring fails in 10 years, it will all be fixed under the recall.

I would double check that. I was told by the service advisor at the Toyota dealer where I had my recall done that if you avoid the job and your engine blows as a result, they may not actually cover it.


Don't know where the legality stands on that, but I thought I'd pass this along.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Pinoy_FRS

Hey guys so I finally got my car back again earlier this morning. Car is running great as of right now. I’ll see how it does in the next few days. As for the check engine light this is what is written on my invoice:



“Cause: p000b cam position b timing slow response bank 1, p0014 cam position b timing over advanced or system performance. I active tested both exhaust vvti systems and found bank 1 had a delay. I swapped the oil control valves and found the delay followed the ocv to bank 2. I road tested the car 55 miles and could not get a code to set, monitor passed.



Correction: replaced bank 1 exhaust vvti solenoid. Active tested the vvti system and the delayed engagement did not happen, road tested 14 miles, the monitor is complete and the code did not return”



So to my understanding (still not that mechanically inclined) it was my vvt gear? Oil pressure wasn’t getting high enough to drive in higher rpms?

No, sounds like all they did was replace a bad OCV. There is one on each gear and to troubleshoot you swap OCV’s between banks to see if the CEL follows. If it follows then you know you have a bad OCV. Most likely they cracked the connector on one while handling your timing cover.

OCV = Oil Control Valve. They are referring to it as a solenoid because that is what it is. The OCVs work in a feedback loop. They pulse on and off at different rates of speed which controls the flow of oil into the gear while monitoring the cam angle sensors. If the ECU wants a specific angle and doesn’t see the result it expects in the cam angle sensor within a specific amount of time it throws the slow response CEL for the bank in error.

[radroach]

@Pinoy_FRS correct me if I'm wrong but I think its the intake cam that is variable, not the exhaust?

[ermax]

Originally Posted by radroach

@Pinoy_FRS correct me if I'm wrong but I think its the intake cam that is variable, not the exhaust?

All 4 cams are variable.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ermax

All 4 cams are variable.

OK, you're back in my good graces -


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by radroach

@Pinoy_FRS correct me if I'm wrong but I think its the intake cam that is variable, not the exhaust?

@ermax did.





humfrz

[Pinoy_FRS]

AND WE’RE BACK KIDS!!

Two weeks after I got my car a second time following my check engine light problem my car has died on me.

Quick little background information...I was driving home on the highway and went to downshift to pass a car. As I did I heard some clanking sound and knew immediately something wasn’t right so I started to pull over. Oil light came on followed by everything else. As I pulled over my car started to die and it did. Couldn’t start it at first and when it finally cranked there was a loud knocking sound. Shut it off immediately.

Got it towed to the dealership I had it serviced for the recall so I’ll be waiting to talk to them tomorrow