Only BRZ owners know how to drive...

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You nailed it. The implication that was made that I spoke to was that the manufacturers ignore safety because it cost them money. They don't. They just charge the customers for that safety.

Gotcha, so there is the first year "out of pocket" expense by the manufacture, but by year 2 they have recouped that cost/ investment thru selling their car offerings. That makes sense. I'm not so sure BRZ's have gone up much in price the last 2 years in comparison to '16 model year (maybe) , but the 86 did increase in price by about $600.

Also, while we are still at it. The whole 5% of a manufactures car offerings are to be "electric" cars by is it 2019? Toyota has the Prius Prime. What does Subaru have?

[Spuds]

Best safety feature? Mandated spike in the steering wheel for all vehicles.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Swabodda

I really miss rvoll.

Ahhhh somebody was paying attention!

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We are not to far away from this stuff being mandatory in all cars. No matter how much we may not like it it does work. Make autox interesting when the car wants to slam on the brakes every time there is a cone in front of t.

Which is a shame because the only assists of that sort that I see any point in is the automatic braking one.


What I would be in favor of is a system that detects all sorts of stupid, inattentive driving exactly the same way but instead of correcting it and allowing the person to continue on in blissful ignorance, it instead pulls the car onto the shoulder and shuts it off.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Summary for those just tuning in: Men of varying ages yell at cloud.

[bcj]

And their car pulls over & stops

[Brink]

Would be interesting to see, if they did put this sort of crap into the BRZ, what percentage of owners would just rip it all out.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by Brink

Would be interesting to see, if they did put this sort of crap into the BRZ, what percentage of owners would just rip it all out.

I use to just pull my ABS fuse, and traction control can be disabled, well, in some cars anyway.

Not sure that any of the other nannies would come into play to ruin your day.

In saying that I'm sure there may, or may not be other issues.

In the end there's usually clouds for me to vent my frustrations on

[FLYFISHR]

Originally Posted by Brink

Would be interesting to see, if they did put this sort of crap into the BRZ, what percentage of owners would just rip it all out.

I wonder if insurance companies would disallow any claims you’d make if they could prove you did that.

[accwai]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Most Toyota's have had something similar as standard fro a few years now.

I was at a big local Toyota dealer for maintenance service a few days ago. They must have like two dozen cars packed into the showroom floor. The one 86 is the only thing there without that triangle lane assist camera port in front of the center mirror. Anyway, I was invited to the Know Your Toyota night when I first got my car. A big portion of that talk was spent on lane assist features. From the questions being asked at the session, impression is everybody there but me have and care about such gadget. Such is life...

[Flarpswitch]

Going back to the original comment: I get the sarcasm. Ha ha, point well taken. Getting right to the point, I believe that there is a different level of driver engagement in the BRZ on the road and certainly on the track. The only feature that I can think of that might prove useful is adaptive cruise control on an automatic transmission equipped BRZ and then only those times I find myself on the Interstate.

My Subaru experience has been a 2014 Forester LTD since April 2013. Cross continent trips in the winter, renting and borrowing various other cars at times lead me to this conclusion: My next car would have to have more interior space and it had to be sporty like the cars I drove when I was younger (much younger). And, it had to be a Subaru. Problem solved, but it took two Subarus to do it. There is a 2019 Ascent Ltd and a 2017 BRZ Ltd in the garage. The Forester is staying in the family. (The best use car is the one you bought new). Believe me, driving the Ascent and the BRZ you know you are in a Subaru. From there the driving experience takes off it two different directions. I don’t have enough time and miles to come to an opinion on Eyesight yet. I do know that I would not have it in the BRZ and I would turn it off if it was. I was experimenting with the Eyesight system and it has some spooky tendencies. I was in the far right lane getting a feel for the car and the Toyota Prius ahead of me was doing it’s Prius thing that pisses everyone off: they drive two or three MPH below the posted limit and they do that in all lanes of traffic. You know what I am talking about. Eyesight engaged, I decide I had enough of the rolling roadblock. Light traffic, so I turn to the left without using the turn signal. Whoa cowboy, not so fast: Eyesight steers me back into my lane. Do I want Eyesight steering me out of the apex of a turn in my BRZ? You know the answer.

Fast forward to a year from now I would likely say that yes, Eyesight is an asset on the Subaru Ascent. In my opinion, the BRZ driver generally has a level of engagement in the driving experience that Eyesight would add nothing and in some cases hinder. If you find that Eyesight does give you that edge of security, then you are either sleep deprived or have a bad hangover. Call for a taxi.


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[g e]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We are not to far away from this stuff being mandatory in all cars.

This. Enjoy your drives while you still can.

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We are not to far away from this stuff being mandatory in all cars...

Originally Posted by g e

This. Enjoy your drives while you still can.

I will! And I hope when the day comes that all cars are either self driving or full of nanny gadgets and/or all electric that I'll have been dead for many years.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by HKz

I would bet flying cars become way more common than fully automated vehicles in the future....will be interesting to see what flying car Toyota comes up with for the 2020 Olympics..

A flying car will be neither a good car nor a good airplane. That has already been proven many times. Until someone perfects anti-gravity, I'll take one of each, but not one of both.