BRZ to Genesis Coupe

[mazeroni]

I drove my brother in law's 2013 Gen Coupe 2.0T with the 8-speed.

The first thing I noticed was the size, though that probably has more to do with the higher beltline. Visibility also seemed worse overall. The engine sounded miles better than the FA-20. But considering the FA-20 is little more than a box of bees and gravel set to tumble dry, that makes sense. The steering felt vague though sufficiently quick. I liked the interior layout more; it felt more modern with all of the curves. The base stereo didn't suck. I'm not sure it felt faster. The extra torque helped at low speeds, but when going full throttle the car seemed to take its time to build speed. A tune, intake and exhaust would probably take care of that and make it that much quicker. I didn't like using the paddles. Downshift felt slow.

I would like to try the 6-speed Gen Coupe, though I might prefer the V6 because it does sound quite good, though much heavier over the nose.

[J Greg BRZ]

Originally Posted by mav1178

So buying a Ferrari 488 defeats the purpose?

Not all automatic transmissions are built the same. The same can be said for manual transmissions as well, some just are built poorly.

I understand modern automatic transmissions are faster (GT-R for example), but don't try and tell me they offer the same driving experience. Also, I don't know if I would consider any Ferrarri a sports car. Definitely in the supercar class. Plus, I could buy a whole fleet of 86's for the price of one of those lol.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by HKz

eh, in the truest sense of what a GT car is, think the Genesis plays that role a lot better than the twins..as wiki puts it
...though the definition is vague, considering the twin's spartan interior and the least compliant suspension (compared to 4 cyl/V6 muscle cars/genesis), I don't think that was the mission here even though it is called a "GT"86

I understand your point. It's why I qualified my comment with the "for me." Like @Ventura, I don't mind the lack of amenities. I seldom listen to the radio in a car and then it's usually only if I'm shanghai'd into driving some sort of land barge or I manage to find an NPR station running their quiz shows.

My wife and I did a 4k mile road trip in the BRZ early last summer. Neither of us had the slightest complaint about the spare interior, the seats were much more comfortable than in her Camry, the suspension was plenty compliant, and the cabin noise not overly intrusive. I guess my definition of what a GT is differs from most. But, it IS my definition.

If I fit in a Porsche it might make an interesting GT. I don't - at least not in one I can sell an organ to buy. So, the BRZ it is.

[e30kawi]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I will also never buy used again. Somebody has to buy new for there to be used ones so all the guys preaching "never buy new" are sort of shooting themselves in the foot with their arguments.


If I hadn't accidently stumbled on the FRS while simply killing time odds are that I would have been driving a last gen Genesis coupe at this very moment.


The whole "but it is a Hyundai so it is crap" thing went out the window at least 10 years ago when they really upped their game. They now easily meet or beat Subaru in all aspects of quality.

I agree with all of this. I like to buy new when I can but that's not always possible. I shopped a 2013 3.8 coupe, while looking for a new car at the time. Couldn't bring myself to buy a first year car...ie frs, and I didn't really want a payment so large for the coupe so a new gti won out as it was drastically cheaper. But after test driving the coupe, Hyundai was making a nice car worthy of a second look and consideration.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

I understand your point. It's why I qualified my comment with the "for me." Like @Ventura, I don't mind the lack of amenities. I seldom listen to the radio in a car and then it's usually only if I'm shanghai'd into driving some sort of land barge or I manage to find an NPR station running their quiz shows.

My wife and I did a 4k mile road trip in the BRZ early last summer. Neither of us had the slightest complaint about the spare interior, the seats were much more comfortable than in her Camry, the suspension was plenty compliant, and the cabin noise not overly intrusive. I guess my definition of what a GT is differs from most. But, it IS my definition.

If I fit in a Porsche it might make an interesting GT. I don't - at least not in one I can sell an organ to buy. So, the BRZ it is.

indeed, im not saying that the twins can't be used in a GT fashion, I've taken plenty of road trips with mine but to say it is the perfect GT is being a little blissfully ignorant

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Hyundai. That is enough.

Ahem...

Consumer Reports 2017 Reliability

1 Toyota
2 Lexus
3 Kia
4 Audi
5 BMW
6 Subaru
7 Infiniti
8 Buick
9 Honda
10 Hyundai
11 Nissan
12 Mazda
13 Porsche
14 Mercedes-Benz
15 Ford
16 Volkswagen
17 Chrysler
18 Chevrolet
19 Acura
20 Jeep
21 Tesla
22 Lincoln
23 Volvo
24 Dodge
25 Ram
26 GMC
27 Cadillac

You don't offer one of the best warranties in the business and make shit cars and not go out of business... Kia and Hyundai are the same company so it's odd one is so much lower, but it might be because of the full size Genesis luxo-barge and how luxury cars in general are reliability nightmares.

Nice tidbit was that the BRZ was Subaru's most reliable model.

[ToySub1946]

ZL1 1LE

HP, Torque, Handling, extremely sophisticated chassis...all in one package.
No auto trans allowed here.
Priced at around $73,000, it's really a bargain

[guybo]

I had forgotten about the awful GenCoupe clutch. It was a dual mass flywheel and horrible, quirkey and hurky jerky. The auto, though I never drove one, had a problem where they were useless in something like autoX because when you selected a gear manually, it'd still upshift automatically, you couldn't hold the revs up. The reliability of the trannies (manual and slushbox) was not very good either.

I do miss that 2.0T kick in the ass though. It took me a while to adjust to the N/A 2.0 with no cajones.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Ahem...

Consumer Reports 2017 Reliability

1 Toyota
2 Lexus
3 Kia
4 Audi
5 BMW
6 Subaru
7 Infiniti
8 Buick
9 Honda
10 Hyundai
11 Nissan
12 Mazda
13 Porsche
14 Mercedes-Benz
15 Ford
16 Volkswagen
17 Chrysler
18 Chevrolet
19 Acura
20 Jeep
21 Tesla
22 Lincoln
23 Volvo
24 Dodge
25 Ram
26 GMC
27 Cadillac

You don't offer one of the best warranties in the business and make shit cars and not go out of business... Kia and Hyundai are the same company so it's odd one is so much lower, but it might be because of the full size Genesis luxo-barge and how luxury cars in general are reliability nightmares.

Nice tidbit was that the BRZ was Subaru's most reliable model.

Yeah..... there is also a huge numbers thing going on there. Hence the Brz being the most reliable car. Its because its the one sold the least and driven the least in the lineup.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by HKz

indeed, im not saying that the twins can't be used in a GT fashion, I've taken plenty of road trips with mine but to say it is the perfect GT is being a little blissfully ignorant

And I Disagree. On both scores.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

And I Disagree. On both scores.

how would you rate something like a NA mk4 supra as a gt car compared to the 86, is it more perfect? saying you don't listen to the radio or have any problem about the interior so therefore makes it perfect for you is like you showing us a chick with no bod but since you don't mind those features shes the perfect girl for you

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by HKz

how would you rate something like a NA mk4 supra as a gt car compared to the 86, is it more perfect? saying you don't listen to the radio or have any problem about the interior so therefore makes it perfect for you is like you showing us a chick with no bod but since you don't mind those features shes the perfect girl for you

And if I thought she was, she would be, wouldn't she? You seem intent on forcing your standards (first wrt to cars and now, women) on everyone else? Why? Again, the BRZ is, FOR ME, a perfect GT mount. It's small, it's light, it rides on rails at the speeds I usually drive it, it'll do interesting things if I push it a bit, it holds two close friends comfortably, it has plenty of luggage space for two, the seats are comfortable for 8hr driving days, it returned 34 mpg overall on a trip that included a couple of days in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and it's just down right fun. I told my wife when I bought it that it's a rough equivalent of a BMW R1200RT with 2 more wheels, airbags, doors, a roof, AC and Heat. I still think it is, and for nearly the same price as the Bimmer.

A Corvette Grand Sport has potential, but I haven't driven one, don't know if I fit and it diverges from the small and light rule. For me, at this point in my life the BRZ is what I said it is.

That said, you (and everyone else) should feel free to buy and drive cars that you feel are perfect for you and, by all means, tell people about them. I promise not to critique your taste in cars (or women), and how you make use of either one (unless you abuse them).

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by J Greg BRZ

I understand modern automatic transmissions are faster (GT-R for example), but don't try and tell me they offer the same driving experience. Also, I don't know if I would consider any Ferrarri a sports car. Definitely in the supercar class. Plus, I could buy a whole fleet of 86's for the price of one of those lol.

I wasn't saying they have the same experience, hence my post.
If you go back and read what I wrote in response to you, you'd understand that not all automatic transmissions are built equally... a point you confirmed in your above reply.

And the auto transmission in the ZC6/ZN6 is very good, enough to win.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRMAz8DLye4"]SCCA Street Modified FRS winning run Cal Club El Toro 3 8 2015 Run 3 58 718 - YouTube[/ame]

As for the whole sports car/super car debate, the point I'm making is that just because a car has an automatic transmission does not mean it's not a sports car. If I decide I want to share my next 2-door sports car with my girlfriend, I'd get an automatic and call it a day.

-alex

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Nice tidbit was that the BRZ was Subaru's most reliable model.

That's because it's a Toyota built by Subaru.

*light the fuse and run away*


Actually I was planning to get a Genesis Coupe, but by the time I had the means to do so, the BRZ was out.

Oddly, the Genesis Coupe has a more useless rear seat than the smaller 86 platform. It isn't lack of legroom that kills, but rather the lack of head room.
I'm far from tall at 5' 8", and the Genesis rear glass basically forced me to compress my spine, whereas I could sit in the BRZ more comfortably (i.e. not like Quasimodo).