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ft_sjo · 07-22-2013, 09:30 AM

The OE port injectors flow around 200cc/min @ 3 bar. This equates to approx 170bhp on petrol, or considerably less on E85.

I wonder if anyone has flow tested the DI system yet to truly understand the limits?

akuhei · 07-22-2013, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by xxscaxx

rainbow pinstripes, get it.

Easily an extra 30whp when paired with the unicorn.

xxscaxx · 07-22-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikem53

I don't think blindly following the tuners advice is great advice.. Especially since they might tell you to buy their rainbow pinstripes and other goodies they sell that you don't need.. Knowledge is power and money in your pocket in most instances...

I'm not saying be a complete idiot about it and just buy whatever they want, but when it comes to fueling, I rather buy what they are the most comfortable with tuning. This isn't my first rodeo regarding modifying cars.

I was joking a little bit there. If you don't know what you are buying, you shouldn't be buying it or even modifying a car.

swift996 · 07-22-2013, 09:37 AM

@moto-mike found several spots where the injectors were at 100% duty cycle when running E85. That's enough for me to invest the $300 and swap injectors.

I'm not sure if there are other ways to alleviate max duty cycle but if injectors can fix it, well it's an easy swap. I'm assuming when people upgrade to the intercooler and higher boost pulley they will need injectors on pump too.

xxscaxx · 07-22-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by swift996

@moto-mike found several spots where the injectors were at 100% duty cycle when running E85. That's enough for me to invest the $300 and swap injectors.

I'm not sure if there are other ways to alleviate max duty cycle but if injectors can fix it, well it's an easy swap. I'm assuming when people upgrade to the intercooler and higher boost pulley they will need injectors on pump too.

Agreed, which is why I went with pump and injectors right off the bat.

Just making a point that theres a lot of information being thrown around.

mines13 · 07-22-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

If you need the Innovate serviced, does it get shipped out of the Country or does Innovate have engineering and repair in the USA?

It is handled on site at Innovate. Irvine, CA USA. The customer does not have to ship anything over seas.

tom@kartboy · 07-22-2013, 01:07 PM

55-210-070213-0010

ftc~brz · 07-22-2013, 03:02 PM

S5-210-180213-0025

NickFRS · 07-22-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moto-mike

Not bad at all considering how varied that one is setup for and the temp! If you ran E85 probably another 20 hp, but that curve looks super smooth telling me the injectors are doing their thing. Our pulls on the stock fueling were nearly as choppy as the innovate graphs due to stock fueling. Those DW700's are perfect for this kit.

As for the fuel pump, we are going to test further to see what's going on there. Looks like Jon's datalogs show it may not be needed with the 700's and E85 but we have to look at it further. Hopefully will have time tomorrow to go hunting in the fuel tank again and double check the hardware. Folks over at Deatschwerks had some great info so we'll pull the canister and double check some things.

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Originally Posted by swift996

E50 Pull (102 degree weather)

Okay you guys. I'll be draining my tank and running E85 when I get my Custom BRZedit retune this weekend.... I'll be running a full 3in intake + full header back exhaust. Will I NEED new injectors or pump for E85? I'll also be running a Nameless Performance oil cooler. All the parts show up today... Super stoked... Looking for info because if I NEED injectors I have to order them today!

p.s this is obv with the innovate twin screw of god!

Draco-REX · 07-22-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NickFRS

Okay you guys. I'll be draining my tank and running E85 when I get my Custom BRZedit retune this weekend.... I'll be running a full 3in intake + full header back exhaust. Will I NEED new injectors or pump for E85? I'll also be running a Nameless Performance oil cooler. All the parts show up today... Super stoked... Looking for info because if I NEED injectors I have to order them today!

p.s this is obv with the innovate twin screw of god!

From what I've been reading, injectors are a BIG yes, pump is a maybe.

Draco-REX · 07-22-2013, 05:59 PM

@DarrenDriven
Just dug out the blower to get the SN. Seems I managed to get an early build:

S5-210-080213-0003

NickFRS · 07-22-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX

From what I've been reading, injectors are a BIG yes, pump is a maybe.

This may make me drop E85 completely.... Looking for owner/shop expeirence answer though.

FA20Club.com · 07-22-2013, 06:27 PM

ok ill help you guys out the stop system ive had give out around 280whp with injectors in i have the pump lose flow at 290whp. this was on 93 octane. if you factor in the 30% increase in fuel needed the injectors only will cause fueling issues without the pump on e85 at lower hp levels. you can try to lean on the DI system to help but you wont get far. I dont understand why its the innovate guys that seemed to be the most concerned about blowing an engine compared to the turbo/vortech guys but are the most resistant to not want to upgrade the fuel system. Nick lemme know i have pump and injectors instock.

sw20kosh · 07-22-2013, 07:49 PM

Robispec is leaning on the DI with a deutswerks pump and is probably around 280 whp on a dynojet. When I asked him if he and his tuner thought that was safe or a good idea he said that it was and that you wanna rely on the DI as much as possible before having to go to the ports.

There are two sides of the coin I guess.

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sw20kosh Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Black FR-S Location: SF Posts: 3,030 Thanks: 881 Thanked 2,014 Times in 990 Posts Mentioned: 153 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Robispec is leaning on the DI with a deutswerks pump and is probably around 280 whp on a dynojet. When I asked him if he and his tuner thought that was safe or a good idea he said that it was and that you wanna rely on the DI as much as possible before having to go to the ports. There are two sides of the coin I guess. __________________ 86DRIVE Challenge

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ft_sjo Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: GT86 Location: The Motherland Posts: 1,398 Thanks: 140 Thanked 473 Times in 271 Posts Mentioned: 22 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The OE port injectors flow around 200cc/min @ 3 bar. This equates to approx 170bhp on petrol, or considerably less on E85. I wonder if anyone has flow tested the DI system yet to truly understand the limits?

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FA20Club.com Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 White Out FR-S Location: Florida Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 24 Thanked 1,162 Times in 501 Posts Mentioned: 323 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	ok ill help you guys out the stop system ive had give out around 280whp with injectors in i have the pump lose flow at 290whp. this was on 93 octane. if you factor in the 30% increase in fuel needed the injectors only will cause fueling issues without the pump on e85 at lower hp levels. you can try to lean on the DI system to help but you wont get far. I dont understand why its the innovate guys that seemed to be the most concerned about blowing an engine compared to the turbo/vortech guys but are the most resistant to not want to upgrade the fuel system. Nick lemme know i have pump and injectors instock.

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