Tada Tetsuya Announces Updated 86 Will Be Coming... Soon

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Eminent Performance

Yeah but here is the current scenario (for me). The S-chassis wasn't beloved / well respected when it came out RIGHT then and there. Same case with the FRS, although, I would say, the FRS has levels of refinement that obviously the older cars didn't.

So, I end up with 3 major choices for the platform as it sits right now:

1) turbo / supercharge the car - I have spoken to MANY major manufacturers directly. Including some that SELL their own kits for this car. The stock motor does NOT like F/I. Every kit, whether mild or not, is a crap-shoot and the motor needs a build and GOOD tuner. This is the easiest choice to go by, but you're either out of motor, or stuck with a rebuild.

2) Engine swap. There aren't that many kits out right now to make this easy as can be, but it is still being done and you could preserve a fresh stock motor if something WERE to go wrong. Even a relatively unmolested 1JZ would do major good in this car with a mild turbo - while maintaining reliability and, did I mention you get to keep a fresh, stock motor if something goes wrong?

3) This is the waiting game option. Even the 350 / 370Z took till now to become a relatively affordable drift-car option. But it had just AS explosive (if not more so) aftermarket support from vendors and manufacturers as this ZN6 / ZC6 chassis. Maybe we are still too early to see its full potential, but every day I drive my car to work, I dream of hearing a better engine running in there....

but all I hear are...

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p.s., I still love my car. Don't get me wrong. It is my first "light weight" car based around handling / having fun and I am doing just that. But just as some of you are criticizing people posting about power complaints (which I can understand is annoying to some of you), I would like to wager and say that driving ANY car absolutely stock and being happy with it, doesn't really make you a "car guy" either.

In regards to point 1. Given time this cars been out there how can you or these manufacturers etc say that? There are several people past the 20k mark boosted zero issues. Proper install, good tune and remaining somewhat civil whp #s seems to be fine??

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by regal

I don't know that it is statically significant but there are certainly more "my engine blew up" posts here and other Subaru forums than the Yaris Forum I visit. Over there you have :I drove 100k miles this year and only changed tires." Its worth mentioning that's all.


I was a bit uneducated when I bought my FRS and didn't realize it was a Subaru. I was assuming Camry/Tc type engine reliability and it just doesn't have that. I mean it has a Scion badge which at the time was in the top 3 for reliability, now its last.


All though am happy with it so far. Is it just bad luck, abuse, what is causing these major engine failures.


I'm confident we will figure it out.

that's all you needed to say in this thread.
: happyanim:

my only request for the refresh is the Ts upgrades and GullWing Doors. I know it's unlikely but if they could make that happen....I'd buy.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Eminent Performance

p.s., I would like to wager and say that driving ANY car absolutely stock and being happy with it, doesn't really make you a "car guy" either.

This is a ridiculous, ignorant statement. A wager you would lose.
I suppose its wishful thinking on your part since you sell aftermarket goodies.

[Eminent Performance]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

I have a strict policy about not being rude to people I don't know just because they express opinions on internet forums I strongly disagree with.

So I have tried to come up with a response to this that is polite and civil.
I have tried long and hard. I give up. I walk away, shaking my head.

Originally Posted by Tromatic

I've been a gearhead all of my life. Motorcyclist, as well. My car is bone-stock, as is my bike. As a "car guy", I appreciate the FR-S for WHAT IT IS, not what I wish it was, and am just gassed that I can drive one.

There is something wrong with the people who dislike the stock FR-S/BRZ and need to "fix" it as much as some seem to, not us.

Originally Posted by OICU812

In regards to point 1. Given time this cars been out there how can you or these manufacturers etc say that? There are several people past the 20k mark boosted zero issues. Proper install, good tune and remaining somewhat civil whp #s seems to be fine??

Originally Posted by Mikem53

This is a ridiculous, ignorant statement. A wager you would lose.
I suppose its wishful thinking on your part since you sell aftermarket goodies.

I am not speaking as a vendor, I am speaking as car owner. If you guys are happy with the car completely bone stock, that is great for you! You save money and avoid this curse / mod addiction. I envy you as a matter of fact.

I feel that major of people who like to tinker with their car love to expand its horizons whether it's something small from brake pads to tire upgrades all the way to forced induction. There is a trade off with everything we do after the fact. No matter what, you will sacrifice some form of safety, engineering, reliability, etc. unless everything is in an ideal condition. It is just a sad fact. Just like adding a turbocharger to a non-turboed car and saying that it will never blow up... I hope that never happens to you - but can I 100% guarantee it? I cannot. And I think any manufacturer who says they can, has my business. Every reputable company has openly discussed that the motor needs a build to be reliable. If you want to bolt-on a turbo for 20 horsepower, then maybe we're talking about different scenarios, however.

There was no disrespect towards anyone who likes to keep their car stock! I was merely stating that the other side of the coin of car-dudes and dudettes are people who want to maximize power (people during some parts of this thread were getting hostile at anyone mentioning more power).

Tinkering with cars, or any machine for that matter, is what makes them beautiful from the beginning to me. Engineering at the OEM level is amazing of course, but if I don't change SOMETHING and experiment during the entire life of the car, it's not fun for me. Just my opinion.

[Wise]

Originally Posted by paros28

Power junkies will never be satisfied. Power can be addicting - like a drug. At first a moderate amount is good enough. After a while, they get used to it and require more power to get the same thrill.

Sad to see so many buy this car to discover that the power is not enough. The car is still the same. It is the same car they read about and waited impatiently for. It is the same car they test drove. It's the same car they enjoyed for the first few months. They are the ones who have changed.

"After 'while nothin' was pretty.
After 'while everything got lost.
Still, his Jacuzzi runneth over.
Still he just couldn't get off.
He's just another power junky."

King of Hollywood - The Eagles

So true. When I bought my 97 Supra I thought the stock power was awesome. Then every year the power would grow with more mods and more boost. Until it was more double the amount the stock car came with. Then I realised that for all the power it had I'd lost the balance. It had become a handful to maintain and most of the modifications would pass emissions. I ended up selling it.

I love having an NA car now. The temptation to mod NA just isn't there. Besides putting on a set of headers and an intake there's not that much you can do besides drastically changing the car's internals or fuel setup.

[NLS8520]

Now that we are about one week away from start of production for MY2015. I am left to wonder if there will be any other changes announced soon for the 2015 besides what we already have heard, (sharkfin, bolts, colors, dampers, new carbon style trim panel).

And of particular interest, I wonder if we will (possibly) see the rumored "Tada tuned" 86 handling option, as pictured below which included, 18" forged BBS wheels, Direzza ZII's, and Sachs dampers. It definitely appears the wheels are on the table and upgraded dampers.

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[Kniteowl]

Looks like the wheels and dampers are available to buy on the revised Japanese 86 website. Reading through the news and running it past my Japanese native friend, it seemed to imply that the "tuning" package was part of the update but so far in New Zealand at least thats been refuted.

Once the first Japanese cars come out in public in June, we would have a better idea what we can all expect (usually something a little less than the Japanese would get)

[Eurasianman]

Originally Posted by NLS8520

Now that we are about one week away from start of production for MY2015. I am left to wonder if there will be any other changes announced soon for the 2015 besides what we already have heard, (sharkfin, bolts, colors, dampers, new carbon style trim panel).

And of particular interest, I wonder if we will (possibly) see the rumored "Tada tuned" 86 handling option, as pictured below which included, 18" forged BBS wheels, Direzza ZII's, and Sachs dampers. It definitely appears the wheels are on the table and upgraded dampers.

Wish those rims were an option over the current factory rims at launch

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Eurasianman

Wish those rims were an option over the current factory rims at launch

If they are an option without a package upgrade I'm getting them!!