BRZ vs Mustang - Here is the review the haters have been waiting for.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

They'd have to cut down the Mustang's size, height, and weight significantly for me to consider it over the BRZ. I actually don't think it's possible to create a chassis small enough to be a BRZ competitor, while keeping it large enough to accomodate the 5.0L V8 in the GT models. Still, this is a step in the right direction for the Mustang IMO.

Definitely. It will be like what the 370z is to the 350z. It won't be a revolutionary change to a smaller car.
Just not making a car bigger with each iteration is an achievement these days

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by HotLavaMan

This might make things interesting...

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...d-mustang.html

But I still prefer the looks of the FR-S/BRZ.

I prefer anything that doesn't combine "American Muscle" with a Chinese tranny...

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Kimsey47

I prefer anything that doesn't combine "American Muscle" with a Chinese tranny...

Totally! I accidently landed on one of those websites one time
Some freaky stuff man. Freaky stuff

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

They'd have to cut down the Mustang's size, height, and weight significantly for me to consider it over the BRZ. I actually don't think it's possible to create a chassis small enough to be a BRZ competitor, while keeping it large enough to accomodate the 5.0L V8 in the GT models. Still, this is a step in the right direction for the Mustang IMO.

It's more that I believe Ford America has very little interest in performance compacts. I don't know why I bother to keep watching the Mustang info. The Mustang is never going to lose the v8.

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Totally! I accidently landed on one of those websites one time
Some freaky stuff man. Freaky stuff

Really though the fact that Ford put a Chinese transmission in the Mustang has the same affect:

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

It's more that I believe Ford America has very little interest in performance compacts. I don't know why I bother to keep watching the Mustang info. The Mustang is never going to lose the v8.

Yeah Ford is going with a bifurcated approach. The Focus RS is their performance compact. The Mustang GT is their muscle car. Unfortunately, the Focus RS isn't sold in America. And the Mustang GT wouldn't be a muscle car without a V8.

...Which leaves a BRZ-sized hole in their lineup.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah Ford is going with a bifurcated approach. The Focus RS is their performance compact. The Mustang GT is their muscle car. Unfortunately, the Focus RS isn't sold in America. And the Mustang GT wouldn't be a muscle car without a V8.

...Which leaves a BRZ-sized hole in their lineup.

The Focus RS is around the same price as a Mustang GT, so I think you meant the watered down Focus ST right? The Focus ST is still very European while the Mustang GT is more Americanized. I still want to see what Ford would make to uniquely appeal to Asian countries like Japan as far as a sporty/sportscar. It might be interesting.

Anyway that's enough of me driving this discussion . The Focus ST is starting to hit the street so maybe we'll see one compared to the Twins. The Focus ST is a bit closer to the Twins in performance, I think.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The Focus RS is around the same price as a Mustang GT, so I think you meant the watered down Focus ST right? The Focus ST is still very European while the Mustang GT is more Americanized. I still want to see what Ford would make to uniquely appeal to Asian countries like Japan as far as a sporty/sportscar. It might be interesting.

Anyway that's enough of me driving this discussion . The Focus ST is starting to hit the street so maybe we'll see one compared to the Twins. The Focus ST is a bit closer to the Twins in performance, I think.

In terms of performance figures, you're right the Focus ST is probably the closer match to the FR-S (and it may put down better numbers even), but for driving experience, I think you'd have to step up to the Focus RS to match the FR-S.

I'll caveat that by saying I haven't driven the Focus ST yet (only the FR-S), so this is speculation on my part. But I've heard Ford's target with the Focus ST was the GTI, which I can confirm first-hand (I own one) doesn't offer nearly the driving experience of the FR-S.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

In terms of performance figures, you're right the Focus ST is probably the closer match to the FR-S (and it may put down better numbers even), but for driving experience, I think you'd have to step up to the Focus RS to match the FR-S.

I'll caveat that by saying I haven't driven the Focus ST yet (only the FR-S), so this is speculation on my part. But I've heard Ford's target with the Focus ST was the GTI, which I can confirm first-hand (I own one) doesn't offer nearly the driving experience of the FR-S.

Eh price wise it was the GTI, performance wise think MSP3

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Eh price wise it was the GTI, performance wise think MSP3

Haha well I didn't exactly love driving the MS3 either Maybe fun for some folks, but not really my cup of tea.

If the Focus ST offers the driving refinement of the GTI (read: no torque steer) with more steering feel, less body roll, lower CG, and the ability to control the rear end with the gas, I'd say it would match the driving experience in the FR-S.

That's how good the FR-S was to drive. Slots in between a Miata and S2000 IMO.

[Subie4life]

Originally Posted by Boss

So much ignorance on this forum.

Boss you can't tell me a vast majority of Mustang owners are taking their cars to the track. Not the drag strip, am talking full on road course. Ignorant? Unlike the limited build of the BRZ, their our thousands upon thousands of Mustangs out there, and yes for the most they are just daily drivers and commuters. If you don't see that, well then your perception of reality is some what distorted.

[Subie4life]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

You best be trollin'. Anyone this ignorant has to be doing it on purpose.

I wish that was true, but I deal in real world scenario and not fantasy. If you don't agree with my synopsis, then you clearly are not involved in reality. Nice try though.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Subie4life

Who in their right mind is gonna purchase a V6 Mustang? Come on fellows this is a snow job by the media to drive interest for the BRZ. But we all know the real Mustang is the GT and its main purpose is a so called muscle car. Mainly for the street (light to light) and freeway challenges. Its not a fair comparison even with the so called track package. How many Mustang owners track their car? None! Its all straights for the majority. And that brings up another issue for the BRZ crowd. Please track your car and not make it a daily commuter or some stop and go traffic econo gas saver! It was purpose built for the track! And there its many strengths and enjoyment will be had. Stay away from the boulevards and freeway challenges. Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by Subie4life

Boss you can't tell me a vast majority of Mustang owners are taking their cars to the track. Not the drag strip, am talking full on road course. Ignorant? Unlike the limited build of the BRZ, their our thousands upon thousands of Mustangs out there, and yes for the most they are just daily drivers and commuters. If you don't see that, well then your perception of reality is some what distorted.

Originally Posted by Subie4life

I wish that was true, but I deal in real world scenario and not fantasy. If you don't agree with my synopsis, then you clearly are not involved in reality. Nice try though.

they think you are ignorant or a troll because you made statements about the vehicle itself and then defended your stance by attacking a large part of the vehicles target demographic. you are making a habit of starting arguments and then instead of defending your points, you just jump to new ones.

if you want to deal with a real world scenario, the very car you are criticizing has beat every subaru (nice forum name...) it has been put up (including the sti) against on road courses.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Subie4life

I wish that was true, but I deal in real world scenario and not fantasy. If you don't agree with my synopsis, then you clearly are not involved in reality. Nice try though.

I'm sorry but what real world scenarios are these exactly? The ones where you make blanket generalizations based solely off the target demographic you've seen on the speed channel? Those real world scenarios?

How about this "real world scenario", the current STI can only competitively go to battle with the V6 stang. And you want to try and get on the big boy variants? Gimme a break guy

Originally Posted by Subie4life

Boss you can't tell me a vast majority of Mustang owners are taking their cars to the track. Not the drag strip, am talking full on road course. Ignorant? Unlike the limited build of the BRZ, their our thousands upon thousands of Mustangs out there, and yes for the most they are just daily drivers and commuters. If you don't see that, well then your perception of reality is some what distorted.

Imagine that, there are more stangs on the road than a car that hasn't hit the streets yet. Come here so I can choke some sense into you.