Why would more power ruin the car??

[SUB-FT86]

When I was stock I would say this car was still a terrific car with its 160whp/132wtq because the chassis is great.

Engine 7
Chassis 10

8.5 overall

Now with 300whp/255wtq and some upgrades in obvious areas to deal with power it's a

Engine 10+
Chassis 10+

Just friggin perfect! I'm also satisfied at this point 10 months boosted and care not for anymore power. I would rather focus now on lightening up the car in areas possible.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

I wonder what a passing grade is for a "certified" tech?

Well, most everyone operating a vehicle has a certificate they've earned that deems them a safe and competent operator. That's about how I interpret most certifications: someone who could drink enough corporate kool-aid and follow a book.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

It doesn't mean that you have to agree with them all or that they are good laws to begin with.

I wonder what a passing grade is for a "certified" tech?

Yes you are right. I don't agree with all the laws either. For example, we have here a strange rule and they will not pass a coilover with separate height adjustment from the spring preload. Probably some strange old historical reason. Sometimes it is very restrictive of what you can do and then you hear on the road a very loud factory certified exhaust. Obviously with an exhaust valve. However, I prefer to have rules than nothing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

It doesn't mean that you have to agree with them all or that they are good laws to begin with.

I wonder what a passing grade is for a "certified" tech?

Well in Canada it is an extensive 6 year apprenticeship mixed with some pretty rough college courses to become a licensed automotive tech. It is not easy and since many tasks require that licence it weeds out the lazy or dumb in a hurry. Now for that same guy to receive mist "certifications" (I.e. Safety check inspector) it is pretty much pay the fee and attend the class. Now since many certifications require the licence first then you have hopefully weeded out those lazy and dumb already. Doesn't mean that some don't slip through though.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It doesn't matter. It is much safer to have rules and regulations than to have nothing at all. Otherwise we live in a jungle and everyone does what he wants, everyone sells what he wants and so on.

As I said, arguing this line further is clearly a political discussion. I would advise against further political discussion as it is against the forum's rules and regulations. And we wouldn't want to break any rules now would we? Otherwise we would live in a jungle and everyone says what they want and everyone sells what they want and so on.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Well, most everyone operating a vehicle has a certificate they've earned that deems them a safe and competent operator. That's about how I interpret most certifications: someone who could drink enough corporate kool-aid and follow a book.

Agree with the first but not the second part of this. There is no need for them to have drank the kool-aid. Many people that get certified for things have to as part of their job and hate the idea as much as anybody else. Being certified for something does not automatically mean you agree with it.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The same guy? LOL. Who will admit that he didn't do a good work? In such cases you really need different people to make the checks.

Someone who is dishonest isn't likely to obey rules in the first place. And who says the rules are made by honest people? And who makes the checks on them? And are you really qualified to make that determination yourself? Where is your certification? Who certified you and where is their certification?

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[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Agree with the first but not the second part of this. There is no need for them to have drank the kool-aid. Many people that get certified for things have to as part of their job and hate the idea as much as anybody else. Being certified for something does not automatically mean you agree with it.

I left myself open for that, fair enough. I meant to earn the cert, not to believe in it

[mrg666]

I went for a morning ride with my fully certified and inspected (but ruined!) car. It was a blast!

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Someone who is dishonest isn't likely to obey rules in the first place. And who says the rules are made by honest people? And who makes the checks on them? And are you really qualified to make that determination yourself? Where is your certification? Who certified you and where is their certification?

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What comes first the chicken or the egg? You can't really answer such questions. It is all about what kind of society you want and then you try in a direction, but as you said it is a political discussion so I won't go further.

Just keep in mind that when a factory says that FI would "ruin" a car they have to satisfy also all the different parameters in countries. If they were selling the car in a single country, then things might be much easier ...

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes you are right. I don't agree with all the laws either. For example, we have here a strange rule and they will not pass a coilover with separate height adjustment from the spring preload. Probably some strange old historical reason. Sometimes it is very restrictive of what you can do and then you hear on the road a very loud factory certified exhaust. Obviously with an exhaust valve. However, I prefer to have rules than nothing.

every Country has stupid laws : ( in Italy for example I only am allowed to mount 17" with et47 cause we can t change the width of the wheel imprint on the road
then of course a lot of people put lower et's rims because Police men are not willing to measure it unless you have extreme values that goes out of the shape of the fenders
i can t put 16, 18 or 19" rims in my Brz unless they are "NAD" and "Sistema Ruota (wheel system, translated)" certified, and basically only OZ makes them (and just few models )
:/

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

1) What comes first the chicken or the egg? You can't really answer such questions. It is all about what kind of society you want and then you try in a direction, but as you said it is a political discussion so I won't go further.

2) Just keep in mind that when a factory says that FI would "ruin" a car they have to satisfy also all the different parameters in countries. If they were selling the car in a single country, then things might be much easier ...

1) Yes, that was my point all along. The basic argument you and Ho are having is about socialism vs capitalism. At the abstract level, you both are in what I call "violent agreement", meaning you are both saying the same thing from different viewpoints, and getting angry at the other for not having the same viewpoint. We can all agree that you can't just stick any coil of metal on your car and say it has effective suspension. This argument is just about how you determine what coils of metal are considered safe, and that is politics.

2) Agreed. It's not just laws, but also the engineering and business standards of both Subaru and Toyota. See my post on the first page which I feel does a good job of explaining this.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Oh brother, pull up you panties Nancy.

So that I don't appear to be taking sides...

Stop being a D1ck.

[smg1138]

Originally Posted by Deep Six

For myself, in retrospect the car was brilliant at 205 whp (E85/Header/Tune) and 2600 pounds wet. I probably should have stayed right there. But......

If you don’t mind sharing, what all did you do to get the weight down to 2600 lbs?