Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

Does the gasoline in Australia have ethanol in it? I can't remember whether or not any Australian owners have complained of this issue and this thread is getting too big to pinpoint one.

It's available as a cheaper option at a few service stations but thankfully not very common. There was one post from Oz about chirping.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

understood. Where is the proof they aren't getting the same noise in Japan? I don't recall anything other than a sideways comment on it.

No proof that I know of but logically they spent years developing this car and it's a brand new Subaru boxer engine. If the test mules had been making that noise they would have fixed it. Especially since the only Toyota part on the engine is the direct injection system and the Subaru engineers would have made a big thing of any problems they had with that in the spirit of competition.
I'm convinced they didn't consider that the fuel in other countries might cause a problem and have been caught out. They will fix it and hopefully when mine is built in September it will get the new super dooper HP fuel pump and anything else it needs to cope with future fuel variations.

I may also put 2T in after it's run in, quick method, to ensure it lasts regardless of what crap goes in the tank.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by sierra

No proof that I know of but logically they spent years developing this car and it's a brand new Subaru boxer engine.

A lot of assumptions in your arguments... Assuming Japan cars absolutely do not have the sound, assuming the post in an internet forum is absolutely correct that it is a lack of lubrication problem, assuming that the noise is actually friction of parts and being degraded over time......

I don't know about you, but I live my life out of Facts, not assumptions. When Subaru or Toyota release the facts about this issue/non-issue I'll pay attention to all of this, in the meantime, could not be HAPPIER with my car! Lighten up! Enjoy it!

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

A lot of assumptions in your arguments... Assuming Japan cars absolutely do not have the sound, assuming the post in an internet forum is absolutely correct that it is a lack of lubrication problem, assuming that the noise is actually friction of parts and being degraded over time......

I don't know about you, but I live my life out of Facts, not assumptions. When Subaru or Toyota release the facts about this issue/non-issue I'll pay attention to all of this, in the meantime, could not be HAPPIER with my car! Lighten up! Enjoy it!

See:

Originally Posted by sierra

As posted on another thread but this topic has spread so it's not getting through. This sounds the real deal below and if it is, a splash of 2 stroke oil, high quality, in the tank should prove the point. Say 100ml just before filling up for 1:500 in the 50L tank, so it's just a light dose of lubrication simlilar to what the Japanese fuel might have? Not 1:40 or anything like that. Hopefully that will almost instantly shut the dry washer up unless it's too stuffed?
If this is the problem they will have to modify the HP fuel pump to cope with the US quality fuel.
I'll leave you guys to work in out in the measures you use over there.
It's just to prove a point and hopefully shut it up until they bring out the fix.


http://www.fr-sforum.com/forums/fr-s...-problems.html

FRS direct injection fule pump problems.

Just wanted to give you all a heads up. I had to replace this pump today due to the fact it was making a loud chriping noise almost like a wet drive belt. The toyota reps came out to my work and listened to it. It only happens once the temp gets to around 140f. They explained it to me as follows. The pump has a washer inside of it which if not lubercated properly it will make that noise. They said that Japan gas is way better and has more lub in it the USA gas. SO the usa gas casued the washer to not be lubed properly. There is no known fix or TSB for this. i got a new pump but keep your ears open so you can catch it and report it. Its not a preformance issue jsut an annoying sound thats all. Hope this helps.

I took this w/ a grain of salt as it is not entirely reliable BUT given what my testing has shown and all the input from others it really seems like we're on the right track.

I do recognize that we COULD be completely wrong.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

I took this w/ a grain of salt as it is not entirely reliable BUT given what my testing has shown and all the input from others it really seems like we're on the right track.

I do recognize that we COULD be completely wrong.

I read this. I understand your point and also agree it might be me who IS completely wrong. I have read about the guy who added 2 cycle oil having success so as you say, they might be getting somewhere here. But you know what? I can't, don't and won't trust what a tech at a dealer says or thinks. I personally know techs and have heard so much crazy from them or their co-workers I just can't trust them. Sometimes they even do it for the fun of it! Again, I know this in fact might be the real honest explanation but... I need to get the word directly from Subaru/Toyota via a recall or a TSB or whatever they called. I will gladly take it back, and get it fixed, I have no problem with that.

My problem is not even the speculation Chewie. My problem is with people reaching crazy conclusions and assumptions like: The sound IS WRONG, the sound IS DETRIMENTAL to the engine, the car is BREAKING DOWN, Toyota/Subaru dropped the ball with this car, THIS car has SO MUCH issues, this car IS NOT reliable.

THIS is what I have a problem with, lots of people here coming to completely uneducated assumptions like they are facts.

I hope you see my point and thanks for responding in such an educated manner. I appreciate it and it says a lot about you as a person.

[YukiHachiRoku]

Well I just got my car back a few days ago and the tech had it for two days. I told him about the cricket noise and upon return, he said it was normal. And the wierd vibration/rattle from 4K --> Redline @ WoT too.... everything seems normal.

I don't know who to believe anymore. I guess I'll just keep it OEM and drive it, and if shit breaks I won't care because it's under warranty. I'm not losing sleep over this shit anymore...

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

I read this. I understand your point and also agree it might be me who IS completely wrong. I have read about the guy who added 2 cycle oil having success so as you say, they might be getting somewhere here. But you know what? I can't, don't and won't trust what a tech at a dealer says or thinks. I personally know techs and have heard so much crazy from them or their co-workers I just can't trust them. Sometimes they even do it for the fun of it! Again, I know this in fact might be the real honest explanation but... I need to get the word directly from Subaru/Toyota via a recall or a TSB or whatever they called. I will gladly take it back, and get it fixed, I have no problem with that.

My problem is not even the speculation Chewie. My problem is with people reaching crazy conclusions and assumptions like: The sound IS WRONG, the sound IS DETRIMENTAL to the engine, the car is BREAKING DOWN, Toyota/Subaru dropped the ball with this car, THIS car has SO MUCH issues, this car IS NOT reliable.

THIS is what I have a problem with, lots of people here coming to completely uneducated assumptions like they are facts.

I hope you see my point and thanks for responding in such an educated manner. I appreciate it and it says a lot about you as a person.

I get a bit bothered when people fly off and say there are SO MANY ISSUES as well. I'm not one of them.

This is my ONLY issue: I hate the sound that is being made by my new car and when I added 2-cycle oil to the gas I was so pleased when it ran smooth and quiet.

I'm heated about this one issue and will remain so until I see some sort of official word from Toyota/Subaru that it is being addressed.

I don't believe the engine is on the verge of blowing up and have never said so. I think people jumping to these conclusions need to calm down.

For now I am operating under the assumption that this noise is not normal and needs to be fixed due to the fact that it is unacceptable (to me) that this new car makes this noise and nothing else. I believe that if it does lead to some sort of engine failure Toyota will make good on it and therefore, until someone provides proof that it is more than just an annoying noise that needs attention that is how I will treat it.

I LOVE the car. I HATE the chirping. I'll apply the band aid that I've found to work until Toyota provides a fix.

[Chewie4299]

I also think it's funny that I used hearsay contained within a post on a forum in order to support a point in a post on another forum.

[roddy]

Thanks for the laffs Chewie.

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by roddy

Thanks for the laffs Chewie.

I'm here all week.




Tell your friends.

[Razz]

Hay Sportsguy!

You do realize car companies are famous for not admitting mistakes and problems with cars, right?

Why admit to a fault when all it does is reduce the life of the fuel pump, lets say 20-30%?

By that time the original owners will be trading in their car for a new one.

[R8]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Rotary owners have been putting 2-stroke oil in their gas tanks for 20+ years for similar reasons, and haven't got any sort of compensation or resolution from Mazda.

If ya all get bored and wanna read through 100+ pages of experiences from people who've been "premixing" for years: http://www.rx8club.com/tech-garage-2...-thread-99636/

There's some good info buried in there about types, amounts, etc., though the triangle spinners use it for slightly different reasons than what you're doing...

[97gst]

Originally Posted by Razz

Hay Sportsguy!

You do realize car companies are famous for not admitting mistakes and problems with cars, right?

Why admit to a fault when all it does is reduce the life of the fuel pump, lets say 20-30%?

One thing I haven't heard mentioned here yet is that these cars have been on the market for weeks not months.

As noted, I bet this "issue" has been or is in the process of being corrected on the production line in Japan. They'll catch it quick, even if it means pump replacement for those few thousand cars that are affected.

[Lee358]

so here i am reading this thread every once in a while saying "no way my car is fine it wont happen to me" im sitting in my girl friends driveway tonight we are having a little chat i have the radio off and we stop talking for a second what do i hear? crickets crap i hear what every one else has been hearing so me being me and knowing this thread is here i go pick up my friend and drive around for 20 min to get my miles from 288 to 300 and now im here telling my story... should i bring it in to the dealer??