Why doesnt Toyota make its own motor for the FT-86??

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

But, foreign to the MR2 guys, an FMR has few problems with cooling or engine bay space, and can have a trunk / back seat ^^

Also the SW20 has an over engineered cooling system... and a trunk... well 2 actually.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

Dosn't have to be the 2jz, I'd just like to see Toyota put the effort in to an engine like what they did for that, we all know they can create greatness when they want to

Rumour has it that Yamaha's doing the heads on this new boxer. If true that means it's basically getting Toyota heads. Also getting Toyota's direct injection, but we're unsure of what kind of valve control.

Toyota is putting their stamp on this engine, don't worry.

[Shevon]

though i would love a turbo option if this na motor is built right..(8k ish redline) 200 0r more hp im on it.

[Midship Runabout]

Only problem I see with a NA 200ish hp is it will be like the f20/22c in the s2000. What I mean is it will be difficult to get extra power out of them (with out going forced induction) because the motor is already almost as good as it can get NA. You know what i mean?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Only problem I see with a NA 200ish hp is it will be like the f20/22c in the s2000. What I mean is it will be difficult to get extra power out of them (with out going forced induction) because the motor is already almost as good as it can get NA. You know what i mean?

Very true... Most of S2k after market parts doesn't improve much as it should, cuz it's already max lvl.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Very true... Most of S2k after market parts doesn't improve much as it should, cuz it's already max lvl.

Exactly!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Only problem I see with a NA 200ish hp is it will be like the f20/22c in the s2000. What I mean is it will be difficult to get extra power out of them (with out going forced induction) because the motor is already almost as good as it can get NA. You know what i mean?

Then you will have to go the way of efficiency. Make sure as much of the crank HP becomes wheel HP.

Cut rotational mass. Light wheels and tires, aluminum hat brakes, carbon or aluminum driveshaft, remove unnecessary drains on the motor like AC and power-steering (no prob with a FMR layout I hope, bloody workout with a Supra), light flywheel and clutch, light crank damper and pulleys, etc... Then unsprung weight, then any extra weight.

I'm currently even looking into doing an electric water pump, controller and thermostat delete on my Supra which should be apparently good for 10-15 wheel HP at high rpm.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Then you will have to go the way of efficiency. Make sure as much of the crank HP becomes wheel HP.

Cut rotational mass. Light wheels and tires, aluminum hat brakes, carbon or aluminum driveshaft, remove unnecessary drains on the motor like AC and power-steering (no prob with a FMR layout I hope, bloody workout with a Supra), light flywheel and clutch, light crank damper and pulleys, etc... Then unsprung weight, then any extra weight.

I'm currently even looking into doing an electric water pump, controller and thermostat delete on my Supra which should be apparently good for 10-15 wheel HP at high rpm.

LOL I almost did that... but Impreza is my dd car, so thought it's good idea to keep em.

[BoostJunkie]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Then you will have to go the way of efficiency. Make sure as much of the crank HP becomes wheel HP.

Cut rotational mass. Light wheels and tires, aluminum hat brakes, carbon or aluminum driveshaft, remove unnecessary drains on the motor like AC and power-steering (no prob with a FMR layout I hope, bloody workout with a Supra), light flywheel and clutch, light crank damper and pulleys, etc... Then unsprung weight, then any extra weight.

I'm currently even looking into doing an electric water pump, controller and thermostat delete on my Supra which should be apparently good for 10-15 wheel HP at high rpm.

I am also doing a couple of these but my main loss of cash will be the 3.4 Titan race block..... Don't even look up the price it's sure to make u pass out, I did.... Lol.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Rumour has it that Yamaha's doing the heads on this new boxer. If true that means it's basically getting Toyota heads. Also getting Toyota's direct injection, but we're unsure of what kind of valve control.

Toyota is putting their stamp on this engine, don't worry.

This.

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Only problem I see with a NA 200ish hp is it will be like the f20/22c in the s2000. What I mean is it will be difficult to get extra power out of them (with out going forced induction) because the motor is already almost as good as it can get NA. You know what i mean?

Direct injection is the key to unlock this door. Remember also that the S2000 is 240hp, so there will still be a couple ponies I think you can pull out of a 200hp 2.0l NA without going "crazyracecamsstallingatthelightsbuiltforarallysta ge" kind of mods.

Formula Atlantic 4AGE = 240hp out of a 1.6L engine. Can we see 300hp out of the FT-86's motor in race trim? An S2000 spec BEAMS 3S pushes 270hp give or take.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Then you will have to go the way of efficiency. Make sure as much of the crank HP becomes wheel HP.

Cut rotational mass. Light wheels and tires, aluminum hat brakes, carbon or aluminum driveshaft, remove unnecessary drains on the motor like AC and power-steering (no prob with a FMR layout I hope, bloody workout with a Supra), light flywheel and clutch, light crank damper and pulleys, etc... Then unsprung weight, then any extra weight.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Direct injection is the key to unlock this door. Remember also that the S2000 is 240hp, so there will still be a couple ponies I think you can pull out of a 200hp 2.0l NA without going "crazyracecamsstallingatthelightsbuiltforarallysta ge" kind of mods.

Good points.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

I am also doing a couple of these but my main loss of cash will be the 3.4 Titan race block..... Don't even look up the price it's sure to make u pass out, I did.... Lol.

I've got 2 VVT-i 2JZ heads (IS300 heads) sitting at home right now, wondering what to do with them. One i'll be flow testing and figuring out some port mods when I get a flowbench together. (Eventually...) Once that's out of the way I'll be building the other and putting it on the 1JZ bottom. I'm looking for a reliable 8500+ rpm and power all the way there. I've got a 4.30:1 rear diff from a NA auto that may or may not be going on as well...

VVT-i I've got to figure out but apparently it can really help with spool.

And I haven't decided on upgrading twins or going single.

Also having weird fantasies about running a boxed individual throttle body setup. (One of the local tuners did this with a turbo AE86.)

I'm looking for as much response as possible from 2.5L

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Direct injection is the key to unlock this door.

I'm thinking this will allow for more aggressive (lean) AFR's safely, right?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I'm thinking this will allow for more aggressive (lean) AFR's safely, right?

Yes, as well as higher compression and torque.