New 510 concept (Nissan IDx)

[zigzagz94]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/28/n...n-hold-report/

Well it looks like the IDX is DOA. Hopefully they don't f up the Z35

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The 'lightly' is meant to be inflammatory.

Shh... Don't tell anyone.


Reality is, in automotive platform sharing terms, it IS lightly modified. But on a relative scale. The best example being the Nissan FM chassis architecture, whereas the Z, G coupe, G Sedan, Murano, FX, and the smaller Infiniti SUV are the same platform. The difference between a BRZ and an Impreza is about the same as a G coupe and G sedan. People seem to have little trouble accepting the G relationship, but the stretch between an EX35 and 350Z or BRZ and Impreza is flat out impossible to some people. To the unenlightened the name is more important than the engineering.

And I get a kick out of people using irrelevant facts to prove a point. Different CoG and clearance proves different chassis is fucking hilarious logic.

I'll stop now, though.



Heh...

Please stop typing...Please just stop...I will not even glorify this idiotic idea with words.

Jaden

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Please stop typing...Please just stop...I will not even glorify this idiotic idea with words.

Jaden

If you don't understand shared platform design, you can't be helped.

Um, I mean the BRZ was designed totally from scratch and the engineering labour and production machinery was donated for free from charity, which is why it's so cheap. Yeah, that's it.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Dimman

If you don't understand shared platform design, you can't be helped.

Um, I mean the BRZ was designed totally from scratch and the engineering labour and production machinery was donated for free from charity, which is why it's so cheap. Yeah, that's it.

If you can't understand rational conversation on line, go back to playing rpgs in your mom's basemnet.

Jaden

[BlackMonarch]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya manufacturers suck for wanting to stay in business and not cater to a percentage of buyers about 6 decimal points on the wrong side of zero.
Impreza Platform????
You sir are so far out to lunch you are at breakfast!

They can afford to lose millions of dollars without hurting their bottom line, to make a small but dedicated fanbase happy. That's customer service.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by BlackMonarch

They can afford to lose millions of dollars without hurting their bottom line, to make a small but dedicated fanbase happy. That's customer service.

From your perspective maybe. If you ever had to deal with shareholders you know they do not care one bit about costumer service if the bottom line is impacted!

[BlackMonarch]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

From your perspective maybe. If you ever had to deal with shareholders you know they do not care one bit about costumer service if the bottom line is impacted!

as the CEO\CFO of my own imaginary car company, we will build nothing but light weight, RWD coupes and sedans.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by BlackMonarch

as the CEO\CFO of my own imaginary car company, we will build nothing but light weight, RWD coupes and sedans.

Let me know when you go public as I have a pile of imaginary cash I would love to invest in those projects!

[TylerLieberman]

15 years later and this is still a thousand times better looking than everything else posted in this thread.



The Chevy is pretty fugly. Like a Mustang and Chevy Cruze mixed.

That Kia just looks ridiculous. That grill makes it look like it has a Mazda 3 smile.

I haven't been a fan of that IDX since the day it showed up. The random bolts on quarter panels to act like fenders flares? Dumb. The IDX is just decent enough to look okay as a concept; meaning that if it were to go into production, it would instantly go to looking like a bag of d*ck just as countless concepts do.


Nissan: Take S15 chassis. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. Throw in turbo I4. Done

Honda: Take Honda S2000. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. High revving I4 engine. Done.

(notice a trend?)

Mazda: Take FD Rx7. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Throw in TURBOCHARGED engine that can meet emissions regulations(don't need another rx8). Done.




It really isn't that hard...

Manufactures seem to think that every car needs to look like it came from I.ROBOT or Minority Report to be attractive in today's society.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

15 years later and this is still a thousand times better looking than everything else posted in this thread.



The Chevy is pretty fugly. Like a Mustang and Chevy Cruze mixed.

That Kia just looks ridiculous. That grill makes it look like it has a Mazda 3 smile.

I haven't been a fan of that IDX since the day it showed up. The random bolts on quarter panels to act like fenders flares? Dumb. The IDX is just decent enough to look okay as a concept; meaning that if it were to go into production, it would instantly go to looking like a bag of d*ck just as countless concepts do.


Nissan: Take S15 chassis. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. Throw in turbo I4. Done

Honda: Take Honda S2000. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. High revving I4 engine. Done.

(notice a trend?)

Mazda: Take FD Rx7. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Throw in TURBOCHARGED engine that can meet emissions regulations(don't need another rx8). Done.




It really isn't that hard...

Manufactures seem to think that every car needs to look like it came from I.ROBOT or Minority Report to be attractive in today's society.

[MokSpeed]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Nissan: Take S15 chassis. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. Throw in turbo I4. Done

Honda: Take Honda S2000. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Touch up on styling. High revving I4 engine. Done.

(notice a trend?)

Mazda: Take FD Rx7. Modify and tweak chassis to meet safety standards. Throw in TURBOCHARGED engine that can meet emissions regulations(don't need another rx8). Done.




It really isn't that hard...

Manufactures seem to think that every car needs to look like it came from I.ROBOT or Minority Report to be attractive in today's society.

This is how you end up with cookie cutter cars. If they did that then every company would end up being BMW. I'd rather car companies take a swing at a wild concept and completely hit or miss rather than just constantly making minor tweaks to existing platforms. As for the iRobot cars that's just the direction the market is going now. Not to mention the reason some of the cars you've listed are so revered is because of their limited production. If I saw a S15 as often as I saw a Corolla I would start getting sick of them real fast regardless of how nice the car is. Emissions aspect plays a HUGE factor in taking into consideration the production of a car today. At the end of the day these companies are businesses. Once sales start plummeting they really have no reason to keep making car. You basically see this happening with the twins right now.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by MokSpeed

This is how you end up with cookie cutter cars. If they did that then every company would end up being BMW. I'd rather car companies take a swing at a wild concept and completely hit or miss rather than just constantly making minor tweaks to existing platforms. As for the iRobot cars that's just the direction the market is going now. Not to mention the reason some of the cars you've listed are so revered is because of their limited production. If I saw a S15 as often as I saw a Corolla I would start getting sick of them real fast regardless of how nice the car is. Emissions aspect plays a HUGE factor in taking into consideration the production of a car today. At the end of the day these companies are businesses. Once sales start plummeting they really have no reason to keep making car. You basically see this happening with the twins right now.

Having modern small, light, RWD performance cars available > focusing on the rarity of old platforms. Modifying and improving GOOD cars doesn't give you cookie cutter cars. It gives you improved versions of good cars.

If I could buy any of those cars new now with updated styling, a more modern engine, and refined handling/dimensions/suspension geometry, but overall similar and faithful to what made those cars great in the first place, I would be much happier than if modern versions of those cars didn't exist at all.

[MokSpeed]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Having modern small, light, RWD performance cars available > focusing on the rarity of old platforms. Modifying and improving GOOD cars doesn't give you cookie cutter cars. It gives you improved versions of good cars.

If I could buy any of those cars new now with updated styling, a more modern engine, and refined handling/dimensions/suspension geometry, but overall similar and faithful to what made those cars great in the first place, I would be much happier than if modern versions of those cars didn't exist at all.

I don't think you're getting my point. I'm trying to say that some people are so attached to older platforms that they've become stubborn and close minded. Even the idea of a modern car possibly being better than older ones seems ridiculous when, in fact, it's very possible.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Having modern small, light, RWD performance cars available > focusing on the rarity of old platforms. Modifying and improving GOOD cars doesn't give you cookie cutter cars. It gives you improved versions of good cars.

If I could buy any of those cars new now with updated styling, a more modern engine, and refined handling/dimensions/suspension geometry, but overall similar and faithful to what made those cars great in the first place, I would be much happier than if modern versions of those cars didn't exist at all.

You think if they modified an s15 chassis to meet today's crash/rollover standards, and all other road and safety standards it would still be a light weight RWD sports car?

I think it would probably look like this: