Toyota FT-86 to Race in VLN Race @ Nurburgring this Weekend! First Photos!

[Dark]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

I want a lot more HP. It won't stay N/A for long.

I'm thinking about boost too, but I will do that after warranty ends.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

If I want to pass my grandmother in her V6 Camry on the freeway, I shouldn't have to downshift, peg it, and pray that she takes her foot off the accelerator.

With a N/A 2L piston engine, highway passing in 6th gear isn't gonna be pleasant, whether peak HP is 193 or 210.

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

I want a lot more HP. It won't stay N/A for long.

Fair enough, but until then anyone with an aversion to downshifting isn't gonna be happy with this car.

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by r1vale

I think I'm gonna have to clarify a few things here.
Sp3 (like all SPecial classes) isn't a stock or even close to stock class. Far from it!
Actually you're allowed to change, tune or mod (almost) everything you want. For example you could swap the engine for another engine of the the same make, or you could modify your engine by changing the bore/stroke, the crank, the camshafts, etc. The only limitation is, that your block needs a serial number on it, that identifies it as a product of your carmaker.
If you want to take a look at the regulations, you can find them here:http://adac.24h-rennen.de/uploads/me...ng_2011_01.pdf (Sp classes start page 61, engine stuff page 64)

And because of that the Civic is a real full on Racecar and not anywhere near stock. More Info on the Civic:
http://mugeneuro.com/index.php?mact=...t01returnid=60
http://www.jasmotorsport.com/en/RaceA.aspx?Id=85&Aut=90

If you want to compare the FT to other equally stock cars, you should take a look at the V3 class as those cars will have rougly the same mods as the FT and also have 2l engines.
This chart will give you a rough idea of their abilities and specs: http://www.vln.de/includes/download...._Matritzen.pdf

good stuff! so the FT is not slow after all.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

I'm sorry, but I must respectfully disagree. I'm buying a car to have fun in, not only in a straight line or on twisty curves, but with every day driving. They're not building this car with ONLY curved roads in mind, they're marking it as an economical, low-budget sports car. So the thing better be fun to drive in all situations. If I want to pass my grandmother in her V6 Camry on the freeway, I shouldn't have to downshift, peg it, and pray that she takes her foot off the accelerator.

While I'm not expecting a 350hp 2-liter, 200hp here in 2011/12 isn't THAT much to ask. I'm actually pretty confident that it will be pretty damn close to 200hp with all the tech going into it and knowing Yamaha is getting their hands on it.

you're saying 200hp is enough, so am I, but the guy i quoted is stating that its low power for a (projected) mid 20k car. if he feels that way, a v6 camaro or mustang might be up his alley. and about your everyday driving being fun, whats fun about driving up to a traffic light and stopping when it turns red?

[subatoy]

I'm boosting this sucker the second an after market
Company comes up with a turbo kit. I love everything
About the car except for the torqueless nature of the engine.
What sucks is that eventually subaru will come up
With a more powerful version.

[blur]

If I want to pass my grandmother in her V6 Camry on the freeway, I shouldn't have to downshift, peg it, and pray that she takes her foot off the accelerator.

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

It won't stay N/A for long.

So what's the problem here? If your going to boost it then who cares about the stock performance figures?

And please stop proposing your thirst for power campaign here. Power is the most easily achievable mod; everything else is much more difficult...

[serialk11r]

V6 Camry is a pretty powerful car, that's expecting a lot. A V6 Mustang doesn't even have much more power.

[Marrk]

Didn't Tada-san _say_ it would have 200 hp? Or am I misremembering?

This thread is fraught with speculation and pseudo-extrapolation from pretty sketchy evidence. It's fun, but nothing to get worked up about.

Gentlemen, we'll have to wait and see. :happy0180:

[serialk11r]

With 7000rpm to work with it's still possible to get 200hp pretty easy, no worries there. But over 200hp? Eh. People who were like "I HOPE IT HAS 230hp", yea sorry no.

[Leeky]

Originally Posted by subatoy

What sucks is that eventually subaru will come up
With a more powerful version.

Subaru are what?

No, the Subaru model is going to be the same car underneath.

Toyota and Subaru have both confirmed that they wont be doing a Turbo model.

Subaru may decide to do a more track focused 'STI' version.... but then again Toyota may do the same and do a 'TRD' version.

There is nothing yet to suggest one version of the car may be faster than the other and no faster models confirmed.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Leeky

Subaru are what?

No, the Subaru model is going to be the same car underneath.

Toyota and Subaru have both confirmed that they wont be doing a Turbo model.

Subaru may decide to do a more track focused 'STI' version.... but then again Toyota may do the same and do a 'TRD' version.

There is nothing yet to suggest one version of the car may be faster than the other and no faster models confirmed.

So what about the Scion variant? Five:Axis version?

Edit: I mean, it seems like USDM version don't get any performance package, so we have to buy from the dealer like we usually do with other Scion models.

[Leeky]

Originally Posted by Dark

So what about the Scion variant? Five:Axis version?

Edit: I mean, it seems like USDM version don't get any performance package, so we have to buy from the dealer like we usually do with other Scion models.

Scion version is almost certainly going to be just a rebadged version of the Toyota.

I wouldnt be surprised if Scion offered a TRD Supercharger kit or something similar for the car at the dealership. But i dont think we'll ever see anything 'straight from factory' thats boosted.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by blur

So what's the problem here? If your going to boost it then who cares about the stock performance figures?

And please stop proposing your thirst for power campaign here. Power is the most easily achievable mod; everything else is much more difficult...

Not really. If your looking for big power reliably it can cost more than handling modifications. Especially on a engine that's not F/I and have high compression.

[Michel]

Gazoo will offer more power for Japanese customers, that's something I've heard yesterday at the race. But I didn't get that information from Gazoo so I can't confirm it.