Poll: Xbox One or PS4

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Sorry but this post just sounds like very fanboyish. One copy instead of four???? Try loaning your game to four friends and see how far that gets you. I share games with my buddies all the time. If they like it enough, they buy one. You obviously feel compelled to not like Sony, so then don't buy the console. I have a feeling MS will need to change their approach this time, or they will find themselves competing with the Wii U for biggest next gen flop. I hope that doesn't happen...

And what are you talking about with the PSP? The PSP has nothing to do with any discussion here.

Of course you have a problem with the "maturity" of the commercial. Probably because it's true. I'm willing to bet if the roles were reversed and MS was posting something like that, you'd be quoting it, tweeting it, and posting it on FB. Whomp, whomp.

I guess you don't play online with your friends much. It would be quite nice to not have to buy an extra disc copy for each person in my house for when we want to play co-op or head to head. There still seems to be a huge misunderstanding as to what you're actually getting with XBO in terms of sharing, so I'll state it plainly: I only have to buy one copy of the game that I can share and play with up to 10 others at the same time without having to buy any more copies.

The PSP is an excellent example of a company complete willing to abandon a physical game distribution format in favor of digital. In that process, all the physical games you already own will not be transferred digitally and will have to be purchased again if you want to play them on the newer system. This concept of digital distribution is not new in any way. MS chose to go with a bigger, all-encompassing access plan which had some consequences that people are blowing wildly out of proportion. Sony took a different route which also has consequences, but I guess people aren't as upset at having to buy the same game over and over. Heck Nintendo has made their career off that concept.

Haters gonna hate.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

I guess you don't play online with your friends much. It would be quite nice to not have to buy an extra disc copy for each person in my house for when we want to play co-op or head to head.

And if your friends want to play the game without needing you to be on it every time? If I like a game my friend has, why would I want to only play it when he is, no I would typically go buy the game myself to play it outside of just when he is playing it. Outside of playing just co-ops or head to head.

Originally Posted by IGN

Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

So how many games can you share? Do the family member get to save independently?


Aside from that, you can only lend your game ONE time. So, that doesn't apply to Xbox One anyway.

Originally Posted by IGN

Microsoft says "your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you." The company added that “Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”

It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

PS4 also has cloud technology coming to the Playstation fans also, so not sure how you are touting this as being better.

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Haters gonna hate.

Really? So nearly the whole industry from game reviewers to consumers are disliking this strategy by MS and in your terms they are just being haters?

[SnapOv3st3r]

From IGN:

Originally Posted by IGN

Microsoft’s Don Mattrick has addressed concerns about the compulsory connectivity requirements of Xbox One.

“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.

“If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device.”

Mattrick is aware of the kinds of gamers who’ll be missing out on Xbox One, and “absolutely” anticipated some blowback, but went on to reiterate he feels they have made the right call.

“Seriously, when I read the blogs and thought about who’s really the most impacted there was a person who said, ‘Hey I’m on a nuclear sub.’ And I don’t even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub but I’ve got to imagine it’s not easy to get an internet connection. But hey, I can empathise; if I was on a sub I’d be disappointed.

“It’s a service-based world, if you think about things and how they get better with an internet connection, that’s a design choice we’ve made. I think people will appreciate it... We did a lot of testing, a lot of consumer research and I think we made a good choice.”

F-U Military personnel basically.

[slicktop]

Damn, that is cold.

[cfusionpm]

Giving a game is different from sharing a game. I posted links directly from MS own PR site, but I guess people would rather get third party information and ignore what it actually can and can't do. If someone is in your 10 "family" list, they can play any of your shared games at any time for any length.

By the way, I don't remember Sony mentioning anything about digital downloads and how those will work in PS4...

[radroach]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

The PSP is an excellent example of a company complete willing to abandon a physical game distribution format in favor of digital. In that process, all the physical games you already own will not be transferred digitally and will have to be purchased again

This is not the complete story for the PSP, sony offered 3 free digital copies (though limited selection to choose from) for PSP Go as long as you owned at least 1 UMD game, the UMD conversion program: http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-umd-...psp-go-6230410

Not saying you're wrong, esp. due to the limited selection, but it's worth mentioning there was the consideration by sony to allow physical owned copies to be transferred to digital.

[jshadeck]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Giving a game is different from sharing a game. I posted links directly from MS own PR site, but I guess people would rather get third party information and ignore what it actually can and can't do. If someone is in your 10 "family" list, they can play any of your shared games at any time for any length.

By the way, I don't remember Sony mentioning anything about digital downloads and how those will work in PS4...

Agreed. He did not read it completely. I think the only "downside" to the 10 family sharing thing is that (from what ive read) the actual owner (me) can play it 24/7 (obviously) but, only 1 of the 10 shared family members can play that game at the same time as each other. For instance if i buy game ABC, and my 2 brothers do not have game ABC, i can play it when i want, and brother 1 can play when he wants, as long as brother 2 is not playing it. So i could play w either one of my brothers, but not both together, and the two of them cant play together w or w out me.

[2forme]

So, you're saying I can buy a game once, and then all my friends can download it, and play it with me online... BUT, I can't lend a copy of my game to friend for him to play.

You realize how completely ridiculous that sounds, right?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Giving a game is different from sharing a game. I posted links directly from MS own PR site, but I guess people would rather get third party information and ignore what it actually can and can't do. If someone is in your 10 "family" list, they can play any of your shared games at any time for any length.

By the way, I don't remember Sony mentioning anything about digital downloads and how those will work in PS4...

Don't remember details being explained, but I do remember Sony specifically talking about the cloud they will implement as well.


And how many games can you "share"? And how does that make sense that they can share it for any length of time but you can only gift a game once? Seems sharing indefinitely, defeats the restriction on gifting a game just once and only to friends who have been in your friends list for 30 days. I'm pretty sure IGN is a perfect source to get information from if they are quoting MS. Again, it is widely unpopular. People on this forum are not being "haters" when the whole industry is arching eyebrows at this approach.

Originally Posted by jshadeck

Agreed. He did not read it completely. I think the only "downside" to the 10 family sharing thing is that (from what ive read) the actual owner (me) can play it 24/7 (obviously) but, only 1 of the 10 shared family members can play that game at the same time as each other. For instance if i buy game ABC, and my 2 brothers do not have game ABC, i can play it when i want, and brother 1 can play when he wants, as long as brother 2 is not playing it. So i could play w either one of my brothers, but not both together, and the two of them cant play together w or w out me.

Thus negating the whole idea that you only have to buy one disc/download.

[jshadeck]

Not friends, 10 family members

Lets all just wait and see what happens in the next 4 months... ms has said many times they are still exploring options and have the ability to change their policies anytime...

[SnapOv3st3r]

MS Xbox One = Confusion on what you can and can't do with YOUR purchase.

Sony PS4 = Friend wants to borrow a game, you hand it to him.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by jshadeck

Not friends, 10 family members

Lets all just wait and see what happens in the next 4 months... ms has said many times they are still exploring options and have the ability to change their policies anytime...

MS doing DNA analysis through the Kinect or something to determine who is a family member and who is a friend?

Having only 1 "family" member being able to play online with you at any one time out of the 10 "family" members you have prevents "Team" based gaming. Therefore your other friends/family will still have to buy a download/disc in order to join the party. So, there is no idea of having to "only buy one game" for playing with 4 friends.

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

It would be quite nice to not have to buy an extra disc copy for each person in my house for when we want to play co-op or head to head.

This is possible because it would meet the 1 person on at the same time as you.

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

I only have to buy one copy of the game that I can share with up to 10 others at the same time without having to buy any more copies.

Fixed, as you can't play with more than 1 at the same time.

In either case, it does not give you the "I only have to buy one disc" ability, because the purpose of playing MULTI-player is to play with a group of people, not just 1.

[jshadeck]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

MS doing DNA analysis through the Kinect or something to determine who is a family member and who is a friend?

Having only 1 "family" member being able to play online with you at any one time out of the 10 "family" members you have prevents "Team" based gaming. Therefore your other friends/family will still have to buy a download/disc in order to join the party. So, there is no idea of having to "only buy one game" for playing with 4 friends.

I guess u did not notice / understand the after "family".... Anyways

As of today, if u and 4 people want to play coop, u all buy a game right? Right. So, assuming what we are reading is accurate, now those same 4 people could theoretically play coop w 2 copies instead of 4.... Still following? Good.

Now, i have a friend in a completely different time zone, we dont play games at the same time often, and now, we will each buy half the games and share them. Its going to be nice for us IF this is how it all plays out.

Like i said lets wait and see what actually goes in to place in 4 months. Talk amongst urselves, ill check back in november and see how youre all doing

Ill just leave this here

[SnapOv3st3r]

How much do you have to put down for pre-orders for PS4?