Toyota's WRC comeback in 2012!!!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Subaru Impreza 3 Manufacturers championships + 3 drivers championships.
Toyota Celica 2 manufacturers championships + 4 drivers championships.

so... that mean Subaru was better as manufacture, but they had hard time finding good driver?

The racing version of the Impreza uses an intercooler which is relocated in the front bumper.

what do you mean as front bumper? All rally Impreza did have manifold rotated to look at front, but all of them was behind the grill & not front bumper.







Also Manifold heating was resolved with putting spacers/thicker gaskets in between.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

so... that mean Subaru was better as manufacture, but they had hard time finding good driver?

what do you mean as front bumper? All rally Impreza did have manifold rotated to look at front, but all of them was behind the grill & not front bumper.

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Also Manifold heating was resolved with putting spacers/thicker gaskets in between.

lol. You would like to think so, but since Toyota also has another manufacturer championship (with another car), they are still one up on Subaru. Are you trying to say that Peter can't drive? GTFO. lol.
Never mind that they only started to win while Toyota was absent....

Re: The intercooler, to-may-to, to-mah-to. The point is, the cooling in the Celica was perfectly adequate.

Originally Posted by Dimman

In Ichi and Subaru's defense, the Celica championships were because Toyota was cheating like a motherfucker...

lmao . That only happened in 1995, and nobody can prover otherwise (I really think that they only started using the device that year). Seeing that the FIA only docked them their points in 95 and did not retroactively take back their championships, I'd like to think that they couldn't prove or didn't think as such either. Genius engineering at it's best.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Never mind that they only started to win while Toyota was absent....

It was only 2 yrs Subie was doing great, rest Mitsu took over.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Re: The intercooler, to-may-to, to-mah-to. The point is, the cooling in the Celica was perfectly adequate.

It's to-mah-to damn it! I'm pretty sure Celica's IC was adequate enough... just visually looking, it looks like horrible layout to mod

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

It's to-mah-to damn it! I'm pretty sure Celica's IC was adequate enough... just visually looking, it looks like horrible layout to mod

That's why you front mount when you build big power. Shooting for over 350-400, you are gonna need a bigger one anyway

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

lol. You would like to think so, but since Toyota also has another manufacturer championship (with another car), they are still one up on Subaru. Are you trying to say that Peter can't drive? GTFO. lol.
Never mind that they only started to win while Toyota was absent....

Re: The intercooler, to-may-to, to-mah-to. The point is, the cooling in the Celica was perfectly adequate.



lmao . That only happened in 1995, and nobody can prover otherwise (I really think that they only started using the device that year). Seeing that the FIA only docked them their points in 95 and did not retroactively take back their championships, I'd like to think that they couldn't prove or didn't think as such either. Genius engineering at it's best.

It was pretty genius, I believe an engineer snitched (or wrote a memoir or something) quite a bit after the fact because the officials couldn't figure it out. It had something to do with the bypass valve and boost limit and apparently the only way you could see how the device operated was under boost. But the only way it could be inspected was off the car (no way for it to be under boost). It was absolutely genius engineering.

Nowadays they could probably use a fiber-optic snake camera thing to look inside while operating.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

It was pretty genius, I believe an engineer snitched (or wrote a memoir or something) quite a bit after the fact because the officials couldn't figure it out. It had something to do with the bypass valve and boost limit and apparently the only way you could see how the device operated was under boost. But the only way it could be inspected was off the car (no way for it to be under boost). It was absolutely genius engineering.

Nowadays they could probably use a fiber-optic snake camera thing to look inside while operating.

Couldn't even be inspected off the car infact. Some over zealous steward noticed something weird after a particularly heavy crash.

It would open under boost and allow more air through.

[Matador]

Toyota Team Europe has been banned from competition for the next 12months, and the points already gained in the 1995 World Rally Championship have been taken away by the FIA.

"It's the most ingenious thing I have seen in 30 years of motorsport." admitted FIA President Max Mosley after an extraordinary meeting of the FIA's World Council convened following technical reports on Toyota from the Catalunya Rally.


The cause of complaint was that Toyota had fitted turbo restrictors which were modified in three ways:

-The restrictor was not sealed so it was possible to move it without touching the seals.

-It was possible for airto enter the engine without passing through the restrictor.

-The position of the restrictor could be moved so it was further away from the turbine than the 50 mm limit permitted.

It was discovered that these irregularities were made possible by a flange which had a special hidden bypass device which was held open against a very strong spring. The hose which connected the restrictor to the turbo had a metal casing inside, and attached to this casing were catches which could secretly force open the by-pass flange to the extent of 5 mm.

Max Mosley explained: "When the system was dismantled, the flange would automatically close itself and remove evidence that extra air could have entered engine. This system not only allowed extra air which did not pass through the restrictor to enter the engine, but also the restrictor itself could illegally be moved further from the turbo.

"The hose was fixed to the restrictor by a jubilee clip. A special tool was then applied to open the device and then the device then gripped in the open position by a second clip. Both of these clips had to be undone for a scrutineer to check the restrictor and in the process of opening those clips the device snapped shut.

"Inside it was beautifully made. The springs inside the hose had been polished and machined so not to impede the air which passed through. To force the springs open without the special tool would require substantial force. It is the most sophisticated and ingenious device either I or the FIA's technical experts have seen for a long-time. It was so well made that there was no gap apparent to suggest there was any means of opening it."

The FIA estimates that 25 per cent more air was allowed into the engine than permitted although admits it's difficult to estimate how much more power that would achieve. An expert put it as high as an extra 50 bhp, a considerable advantage when the cars are supposedly limited to 300 BHP.

TTE did not claim the device was legal but was represented by lawyers who entered a plea in mitigation. Mosley went on to say that the points Toyota and their drivers, Juha Kankkunen, Didier Auriol and Armin Schwarz had gained in 1995 would simply be taken away but others would not move up to fill the gaps.

The team would also be banned from contesting the 1995 Network Q RAC Rally and the 1996 World Rally Championship. He also stated that the FIA would not allow the team to get around the restrictions by entering under another guise and went on to say that there was however, nothing to suggest that the drivers were aware of anything going on.

According to Toyota the device had been devised at a "certain level" and the management knew nothing about it. The FIA dismissed this claim, saying that as a team they were responsible for all their actions.

He went on to say that there were indications that this type of thing was not happening with in other teams and praised those who were concerned with discovering the irregularity. TTE has announced that it is planning to appeal against the ban extending through 1996.

The absence of the team would weaken an already frail championship and leave it to a fight between Subaru, Mitsubishi and Ford with Subaru being the obvious favourites.

[Dimman]

Seeing Toyota engineering on that level makes me happy!

[ichitaka05]

wish they make em right now. So regular drive, you can keep it close and if you want some more hp, put that system into work!