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[Koa]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

So you gotta shave part of the rim for it to work with stock struts and TRD springs? Damn! I refuse to buy a coilover simply because I hate having to rebuild coilovers and to top it off all I want is a 1-1.2 inch drop.

just an FYI, you have to "rebuild" or "replace" struts as well.. and he's talking about shaving the rim to clear tires, not because they rub on the strut or anything

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Koa

just an FYI, you have to "rebuild" or "replace" struts as well.. and he's talking about shaving the rim to clear tires, not because they rub on the strut or anything

A strut only needs replacing every 80,000 miles though. I drive that in 7 years. Coilovers I heard needs to be done at least 3-5 times in that same time from what I've read. So trust me I know and I have done adequate research.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

A strut only needs replacing every 80,000 miles though. I drive that in 7 years. Coilovers I heard needs to be done at least 5 times in that same time from what I've read. So trust me I know and I have done adequate research.

Any time someone says "trust me" I am immediately wary of them.

Do you know the difference between a worn out oil filled stock strut and a street coilover that needs servicing?

Here's some insight for starters, this advice while lacking citations is sound and you'll find that it corraborates advice on struts in general: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...01&postcount=4

Also, that "80,000 miles" business is not with your lowering springs taken into consideration. Additionally, while that strut may not blow until 80k miles, you sure as hell would want to replace it long before that if performances means anything to you.

By the way, coilovers ARE struts.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Koa

Any time someone says "trust me" I am immediately wary of them.

Do you know the difference between a worn out oil filled stock strut and a street coilover that needs servicing?

Here's some insight for starters, this advice while lacking citations is sound and you'll find that it corraborates advice on struts in general: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...01&postcount=4

Also, that "80,000 miles" business is not with your lowering springs taken into consideration. Additionally, while that strut may not blow until 80k miles, you sure as hell would want to replace it long before that if performances means anything to you.

By the way, coilovers ARE struts.

Ummm the Eibach Pro kit is nowhere near as aggressive abuse on stock struts as you think. I understand that sportline is a strut killer for obvious reasons and yes I know that a coilover is a strut but coilovers are designed to be more aggressive vs a OEM setup. Furthermore you have to spend upwards of $1500 for a top brand and still worry about rebuilding it frequently? No thanks. I just need a nice DD setup and speaking of which the roads in GA is horrible which gives the coilover another negative.

[Koa]

Most track coilovers are indeed designed to be more aggressive, as per the insight I linked you

But streetable, quality coilovers give you a HUGE leap in performance for only a fraction percentage increase in servicing costs.. dude you can go 30-50k on one rebuild of a quality KW or Ohlins coilover if all you do is street. I don't know where you've been getting this "having to rebuild coilovers 5x as much" metric

[Koa]

@CSG Mike care to chime in? I am not an auto expert but I wasn't born yesterday either. How far away are we from the truth of things?

[SUB-FT86]

Ok I'll believe one guy because he tells me so. And Ohlins? $2500-4000 coilovers for a rebuild every 30-50k is insane. At the cost of Ohlins it should be every 140k miles instead. And I bought my FRS as a fun day to day sports car. I don't care about racing as much as most on here. Pro Kit is for us guys that have different needs.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Ok I'll believe one guy because he tells me so. And Ohlins? $2500-4000 coilovers for a rebuild every 30-50k is insane. At the cost of Ohlins it should be every 140k miles instead. And I bought my FRS as a fun day to day sports car. I don't care about racing as much as most on here. Pro Kit is for us guys that have different needs.

So explain why my friend's KW variant 1's have been going on right about what I posted, 35k and no sign of needing a revalve or rebuild yet?

You're super harsh and it's funny that you think your stock struts are going to last you 80k with those springs.. and about that day to day sports car.. how much did you pay for it? How often do you feel the dampening of the suspension? It's a bit costly, yes, but quality suspension components are crucial to a satisfying experience, both competitively and as a "day to day" enthusiast

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Koa

So explain why my friend's KW variant 1's have been going on right about what I posted, 35k and no sign of needing a revalve or rebuild yet?

You're super harsh and it's funny that you think your stock struts are going to last you 80k with those springs.. and about that day to day sports car.. how much did you pay for it? How often do you feel the dampening of the suspension? It's a bit costly, yes, but quality suspension components are crucial to a satisfying experience, both competitively and as a "day to day" enthusiast

Even if they lasted 40k I'm happy. But I won't have to worry about sending away my struts and wait for a week or 2 in order to get it back and my car just sitting there. I'm not out to waste time and money.

[SUB-FT86]

I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

it's funny because I'm not on coils either, I just call it how I see it.. sport tuned suspension, well we pay to play. Simple as that.. but that doesn't mean stock OEM suspension with modified spring rates will outlast a proper coilover setup that only sees street use.. Only reason why I brought Mike in is because that dude is a wealth of realistic insight that knows far more about suspension than I and who isn't afraid of telling it straight

[Koa]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

You know one other caveat that swings in your favor is the dirt cheap price of stock struts right now.. I have two sets in my garage- one I got for free from a member when I bought my springs (he couldn't figure out how to remove the top hats without a pass through and hex), and now one additional set from my switch to Bilsteins..

So there's that, one could pick up a set for $150-200 and be set for a LONG time

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Koa

it's funny because I'm not on coils either, I just call it how I see it.. sport tuned suspension, well we pay to play. Simple as that.. but that doesn't mean stock OEM suspension with modified spring rates will outlast a proper coilover setup that only sees street use.. Only reason why I brought Mike in is because that dude is a wealth of realistic insight that knows far more about suspension than I and who isn't afraid of telling it straight

I understand where you're coming from but I wonder if a coilover can take the brutal harshness of a pothole riddled road that I commute through on a daily? And If I was to get them I wasn't going with a conservative drop. My mindset is if I spend that money I'm going all out to where it's near max settings.

[Crazypinoy9]

TBH the only reason why I want to hold off on getting coilovers is because i wanna get some usage out of the suspension that came with the car. I barely got the car in january haha

But now that I think about it. I can just get coilovers now. Then just save the stock struts and TRD springs for when I would have to send off the ST's to get rebuilt...wait...they're rebuildable right? lol