Twins vs S15 Spec R

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by B3yondL

You know what, bad wording by me. I shouldn't have said the S15 IS A x and y S2K. Let's just take the S2K out of the question since it is Twins Vs. forum anyway.


Let me rephrase it to this; the S15 Spec R has more torque/hp while simultaneously being lighter than the twins. That's pretty amazing and props to Nissan engineering. That being said, I think these two cars would be interesting to compare, since my fantasy is an FRS with stock 200whp.

im not so sure if its a props to nissan engineering. its more an indication of the safety standards of global cars vs specific regions. when nissan makes a car today that sells in america that has the power and weight of the s15 ill be impressed. power and weight are very small parts of the equation in my book. the feel of the brz is really good. the feel of the silvias i have driven isnt.

[Weasel Soup]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not so sure if its a props to nissan engineering. its more an indication of the safety standards of global cars vs specific regions. when nissan makes a car today that sells in america that has the power and weight of the s15 ill be impressed. power and weight are very small parts of the equation in my book. the feel of the brz is really good. the feel of the silvias i have driven isnt.

bolded as a thank you

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Weasel Soup

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bolded as a thank you

lol. Get real, guys. Driving your neighbor's 20 year old 240 with KA24DE, rotted bushings all around, and cheap chinese/korean coilovers is not the same thing as driving one properly setup.

Sure, the steering feel isn't as great as on the FR-S, but it isn't on an NSX or FD RX7 either... still great handling cars and over all much higher performing.

[Turbowned]

What would it cost, roughly, to get one to your door? I wouldn't mind an S15, but it would depend on the cost. Of course we can't have them here in the U.S. except for a track-only or show vehicle.

[Dipstik-sportech]

They're about 15-20k for a good one

[jlugo711]

For a clean stock s15 Spec-R you're looking to spend ~$22-$26k + whatever it takes to make it legal, which is possible (as most things with money are). I have wanted one bad and it will always be a dream car of mine due to the style and looks of it but as far as performance goes... The 86 can out-perform it in almost all aspects, if not all. It's more of a "I'm going to buy this because I love it" car.

[ybotspawn]

Originally Posted by jlugo711

For a clean stock s15 Spec-R you're looking to spend ~$22-$26k + whatever it takes to make it legal, which is possible (as most things with money are). I have wanted one bad and it will always be a dream car of mine due to the style and looks of it but as far as performance goes... The 86 can out-perform it in almost all aspects, if not all. It's more of a "I'm going to buy this because I love it" car.

If it can't the money you put into making an S15 legal could easily FI the twins and beat said s15... love the s15 myself as well but dollar per dollar, i'd take the twin my $0.02.

[chaoskaze]

Do it! Get the said S15 then post here.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by industrial

Basically you are taking your money and setting it on fire. That car will be expensive and difficult to maintain and have no resale value. Small price to pay for some props at car meets?

It will probably be expensive but it won't be difficult to maintain at all.

As far as resell, it will have more than the twins ever will. Stateside and Canadia anyway.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Why not just get an S13 or S14 and build it? It's not an S15 but it's close and still has very high potential while being much, much cheaper.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

It will probably be expensive but it won't be difficult to maintain at all.

As far as resell, it will have more than the twins ever will. Stateside and Canadia anyway.

Yeah, the car was only made for Japan for 3 years from 99-02. I'm sure it'll be a joy maintaining a 13-16 year old car that was only made in limited numbers in Japan. I'm not even going to touch the resell comment. If this is done, it'll be a labor of love. I don't know how else you justify wasting so much money on a car nobody except JDM car nerds care about. It's not even that great of a performance car. Seems strange now but I remember driving one when I lived in Japan and I ended up buying a wrx which felt MUCH faster and less loose. Something about those 97 wrxs.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by industrial

Yeah, the car was only made for Japan for 3 years from 99-02. I'm sure it'll be a joy maintaining a 13-16 year old car that was only made in limited numbers in Japan. I'm not even going to touch the resell comment. If this is done, it'll be a labor of love. I don't know how else you justify wasting so much money on a car nobody except JDM car nerds care about. It's not even that great of a performance car. Seems strange now but I remember driving one when I lived in Japan and I ended up buying a wrx which felt MUCH faster and less loose. Something about those 97 wrxs.

I'm not sure what the length of time it was produced has to do with maintaining it.

I had a 89 RPS13 in 2009 and that wasn't difficult to maintain. This would be much younger and would have benefited from a decades worth of refinement, that should make it better.

Resell, you're not going to be selling this to some bloke cross shopping a Camry. Of course you're going to sell it to an enthusiast, and enthusiast will pay. I'll put it this way, I'm not into baseball cards so a $100k card is worthless to me, but my value of it doesn't affect the value of it to those who are into that sort of thing.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

I'm not sure what the length of time it was produced has to do with maintaining it.

I had a 89 RPS13 in 2009 and that wasn't difficult to maintain. This would be much younger and would have benefited from a decades worth of refinement, that should make it better.

Resell, you're not going to be selling this to some bloke cross shopping a Camry. Of course you're going to sell it to an enthusiast, and enthusiast will pay. I'll put it this way, I'm not into baseball cards so a $100k card is worthless to me, but my value of it doesn't affect the value of it to those who are into that sort of thing.

The amount of time produced shows it wasn't around long. The s15 never left the jdm in any form. Your s13 was imported here. That's truely apples and oranges. What happens when some random bits break? You can't roll over to nissan/autozone/junk yards and grab a replacement. You have to special order everything or start fabbing/tinkering. Sounds like a pain to me unless you are a professional auto mechanic.

People will pay what they will pay, that's true. Is the s15 a classic? I highly doubt it. I don't really know. If I'm paying for some imported pain in the ass nissan, it better say GT-R or I'm going to pass. Importing a s15 seems like importing a gts-t skyline to me...why bother?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by industrial

Yeah, the car was only made for Japan for 3 years from 99-02. I'm sure it'll be a joy maintaining a 13-16 year old car that was only made in limited numbers in Japan. I'm not even going to touch the resell comment. If this is done, it'll be a labor of love. I don't know how else you justify wasting so much money on a car nobody except JDM car nerds care about. It's not even that great of a performance car. Seems strange now but I remember driving one when I lived in Japan and I ended up buying a wrx which felt MUCH faster and less loose. Something about those 97 wrxs.

And New Zealand and Australia.

And clearly you aren't familiar with Under Suzuki's Scorch Racing S15, currently one of the all-out fastest production-based cars in the world... and it's not the only s-chassis out there at the top of the pack.

Power-to-weight potential, rear wheel drive, and very good handling when upgraded with quality suspension parts. It's that simple, buddy. That's why the s-chassis cars are so popular.

It really amazes me how many FR-S/BRZ owners there are out there who don't know much about the s-chassis, how good it can really be, and where the inspiration for their own cars actually comes from.