FR-S vs 2010 Prius

[Kunzite]

Make that a spoon or two. I'm not amazed that a car driven to its limit is not that economic.
I also don't trust that "more harmful for the environment than a Land Rover" thing.

[Spaceywilly]

I thought it was pretty obvious that the whole thing was a joke. This is top gear after all not 60 minutes. Those guys are really too good at trolling.

[86'd]

Yeah my wife's Prius is slow and wallows in the corners, but in PWR mode it's as fast as a regular Civic.

But my Civic SI feels like a supercar after I drive the Prius; I could only imagine what an NA Miata or FRS feels like after. lol.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Still more harmful for the environment than a Land Rover. So all those hippies who think they're being good to the environment for using less gas, guess what: YOU AIN'T!

What? Do you mean that bogus Hummer vs Prius study? That's a myth.

He's talking about driving differences anyway.

[Turbowned]

No, the statement is that it is more harmful to the environment to produce a Prius (because of what goes into the batteries and how much energy is spent to produce and transport them) than it is to produce a regular vehicle. Those hybrid batteries are a nasty bit of business.

[Subie]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

No, the statement is that it is more harmful to the environment to produce a Prius (because of what goes into the batteries and how much energy is spent to produce and transport them) than it is to produce a regular vehicle. Those hybrid batteries are a nasty bit of business.

Don't forget the "smug" emissions, too.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155193/thanks

[Kunzite]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

No, the statement is that it is more harmful to the environment to produce a Prius (because of what goes into the batteries and how much energy is spent to produce and transport them) than it is to produce a regular vehicle. Those hybrid batteries are a nasty bit of business.

Yeah, if you ignore that the point of a hybrid is to reduce emissions during exploitation.

Subie - that was funny

[Turbowned]

It may not reduce emissions enough through the life of the car to make up for the energy/emissions consumed in the process of making the car. I don't know either way. Priuses are lame. Go buy a diesel.

[Kunzite]

But do you have any idea about how much energy/emissions are spent during production, compared with making a comparable, or even much larger car? No?
I'd rather have a Prius than a DPF diesel, by the way.

[Asterisked Accolade]

Originally Posted by HotLavaMan

Ok so I've been driving the FR-S for about 600 miles now and I finally got back into my 2010 Prius to go somewhere as I needed cargo room. Here's initial reaction:

"Um, what the hell happened to my car? It's not running right at all. I press on the gas and it doesn't go. The steering doesn't respond at all. And what is with the cornering like a boat? Oh shit, yeah, it's not the FR-S."

And I realized just how nice the FR-S is. The 49 mpg for the Prius is double what I got in the FR-s (all in-town driving) of 25.6 mpg but the FR-S is far more than double the fun of driving.

Such is life.

You don't have to have a prius to get good mileage. I have a Celica which gets 36hwy stock, and since i've modified it i clocked 48mpg on the highway at 73mph on cruise control. You don't have to have an undesirable car just for the bonus of gas mileage.

[Streetice]

Top Gear makes a good point its not what you drive its how you drive it and then I start talkingThe Prius was driven to it limits on the track were as the M3 just had to keep up that being said is just as easly said as done. The Prius is maxing out so that mean rev's at high range given that it has very very short gears were as the M3 has long gear and a 6th just for good mesure, proformance tires stock tuned suspension for cornoring stock giving the strength need to take the track at that speen and seeing as it was forced to the limits of the prius being a soft suspension and comfort tires it could only go so far.
Now yes the words "not meant for" are a pop or two away from some head but look at the whole board because the limits were no were near meet in the M3 it just crused along yet the prius all but fell apart.
So like he said its not what you dirve its how you drive it.
If I get 20mpg and the tag said 30mpg its because im puting my foot to the floor!

[serialk11r]

If we'll be a little more accurate about the Top Gear comparison (since I'm bored), the Prius should've been running at around peak engine efficiency, but since it can't corner for jack s***, it was always hard on the brakes, thus wasting a lot of energy. The M3 on the other hand can easily handle the corners much faster, so Sir Clarkson probably only dabbed the brakes slightly to "keep up", whatever that meant. I highly doubt they used 6th gear, but it's probable that they kept the M3's revs a bit lower.

[Sovran]

Try this article for an overview of the Prius vs. Hummer "research":
http://www.thecarconnection.com/tips...oding-the-myth

If you don't like that one, here's an Autoblog article which contains links to several other articles and studies on the topic:
http://green.autoblog.com/2007/08/28...turns-and-the/

Or Google it yourself, but only read articles that specifically cite their sources. Anything that doesn't cite sources is the scientific equivalent of a tabloid (which, incidentally, is exactly where the original Hummer vs. Prius article broke). Any research you want to take really seriously should be published in a peer-reviewed journal; without peer review, the whole publishing process starts to resemble a vanity press, which is not a good source of scientific data.

The only "science" (and I use that term loosely) involved in the "Hummer > Prius" argument is based on a single study done by a company called CNW Marketing Research. Anyone with scientific training in any field can look at the study and immediately point out its flaws. Here's the most telling bit of hard data, which you can find in the original CNW document or many of the later articles about it:
"...according to the [CNW] study the average Prius is expected to go 109,000 miles over its lifetime, while a Hummer H1 would go 379,000 miles."
Even if you want to believe that a Prius will fall apart after 109,000 miles, it's absurd to think that a Hummer will go 379,000 miles without requiring major repairs.

CNW itself later 'updated' its study, and the cost-per-mile of a Prius dropped by 23.5% to below that of a Hummer H2. CNW's site offers responses to the major criticisms of its original study; I don't claim any expertise of my own, but in my opinion CNW's responses still lack the hallmarks of scientific credibility.

I also find it ironic that CNW's comments focus on the risk inherent in a new car model, saying that it's unreasonable to assume that a new hybrid model will be successful and will be sold for many years to come. That remains to be seen, but there's no question that Hummer is functionally extinct.

Caveat: There is no doubt that a hybrid has a higher lifecycle cost than an equivalently sized non-hybrid vehicle. If what you truly care about is lifecycle energy cost, buy a gas-powered Civic, Corolla, or Elantra (or similar) rather than a Prius.

[Asterisked Accolade]

I have never liked the Prius. If you want good mileage, i'm sure there are more aesthetically pleasing cars out there that can ball-park a Prius' numbers. Also, i'm sure there are some that don't handle like a Pontoon.