Report: Baby Toyota FT-86 also in the works

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dark

If the rumor about RX-7 is true, FT-86 will compete with RX-7. There is will a small possible chance that Nissan may be bringing back the Silvia. If what I said become true, it's like we're heading back to early 90s again.

Isn't it rumored @ 300hp? The turbo version maybe?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Isn't it rumored @ 300hp? The turbo version maybe?

Right, it's 300hp. FT-86 Turbo( if there will be one) will also be near 300hp territory, but boxer from Toyota must be more efficient than new generation Rotary from Mazda. RX-7 is also likely to be more expensive than FT-86 for numbers, so it's up to you to choose your own ideal sport car.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by Franisco

Yup. Also I really hope they don't try to compete with all of those muscle cars; Would really ruin it

Agreed. I wasn't looking for a muscle car.

Originally Posted by Dark

If the rumor about RX-7 is true, FT-86 will compete with RX-7. There is will a small possible chance that Nissan may be bringing back the Silvia. If what I said become true, it's like we're heading back to early 90s again.

What's wrong with early nineties?

I really like the sound of that whole scenario there.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Lexicon101

Agreed. I wasn't looking for a muscle car.



What's wrong with early nineties?

I really like the sound of that whole scenario there.

Lex, I didn't say it's bad. It's an impressive event, but I was too young to catch on.

[Bang Uchiha]

I used to sell Toyota's...

It sounds like the $5k reduction is exaggerated, since a normal downgrade in engine size or models in normal Toyota cars is about $1,500-$2k.

Max $3k if they strip down the car to a basic model with no power windows/side mirrors or remote entry.

[EyeZer0]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...-Crazy/233245/

http://www.insideline.com/toyota/fr-..._ns_11510.html

So looking it over, Toyota has already been testing the Toyota Aygo as a RWD vehicle with a low weight/high hp ration for awhile now. I think the only thing restrictive for Toyota is that the Aygo is only sold in Europe. I think if Toyota can find a way to build it here I'll consider it since it looks like a really cool hot hatch but only because it's one of the few that's RWD.

Upon further thinking, Toyota has not updated the Scion xD for the 2011/2012 year yet. The base Scion xD starts at around $15-16k. What if Toyota brings out a new Scion xD or it's successor(Since the xA had a four year timeline and the xD is about to reach it's four year timeline) that starts off as a base car with FWD and a "Fuel Effecient Engine". Then since there is the introduction of the iQ into the Scion lineup then Toyota with it's plan to maybe introduce(reintroduce) a TRD/Gazoo/G-Sports division create seperate cars that are in this division. The new "Performance" level car could cost $4-5k higher then the base and allow for items such as a super/turbo and RWD for the Aygo/xD/Whatever this baby FT86 is.

[ichitaka05]

you know that Aygo Crazy cost £100,000

UK£ 100 000 = US$ 148 080

1.8L VVT-i from MR-2 & Celica engine w Turbo and lil shy of 200bhp... for £100,000 ($148,080)? No thanks.

If you were talkin' bout stock Toyota Aygo, it's I3 1L engine pressing only 68hp. There were I4 1.4L engine is Diesel and iirc correct, they stop making that. Even Diesel engine made 55hp.

[EyeZer0]

Yes I saw the Aygo Crazy costs 100k but it is a concept and a radical one at that since they had to engineer it to be RWD. I also do not trust how much they say the Aygo Crazy costs unless they are including total development costs in there as well. The Motor Trend article agrees that the baby FT86 is going to be based off the Gazoo GRMN FR so I think it's just a waiting game to see if this rumor pans out.

http://gazoo.com/racing/english/grmn/lineup/frhh.asp

Apparently this is old. The interview states they made a concept of a car that costs 1,500,000 yen or roughly $16.5k. So the car exists as a cheap FR car concept but will it make it to production anywhere is the better question.

[RWDJunkie]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hmm. Until I see a concept I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to this one.

Same here.

But it's sounding more like it should be a revived/revisioned MR2. Besides, something based off the Aygo doesn't seem very appealing... well, to me anyways. Honestly, I can't see Toyota seriously attempting to make a RWD Vitz for production purposes.

[Matador]

I think road & track is full of it. Toyota aren't going to make a hot hatch with no space in the back, so if anything maybe they are working for a new MR-2. THe last one was great, but underpowered and overpriced, let's see if they are making anything else, how it'll work out.

[OldSkoolToys]

I think people are missing a bigger picture here. If this report where to be true, then the 'baby' FT-86 seems to be more of a true 'successor' to the AE86 than the FT-86 we've been clamoring over now for months.

The more news that comes out on the FT-86, the more it becomes obvious to 86 owners that Toyota isn't really using the 86 as an inspiration than beyond 'light weight, RWD'. This car, although a bit smaller than the AE86, would have a weight closer to the 86 (than the FT-86 will, at probably 2700-2800), and an I4 pushing almost the exact same performance numbers..cept torque...

For me, I'm suddenly more interested in this 'baby' FT-86 than the FT-86 itself.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

you know that Aygo Crazy cost £100,000

UK£ 100 000 = US$ 148 080

1.8L VVT-i from MR-2 & Celica engine w Turbo and lil shy of 200bhp... for £100,000 ($148,080)? No thanks.

If you were talkin' bout stock Toyota Aygo, it's I3 1L engine pressing only 68hp. There were I4 1.4L engine is Diesel and iirc correct, they stop making that. Even Diesel engine made 55hp.

You know that the Aygo Crazy cost £100,000 to BUILD, since it's a concept, rather than an actual production car? In fact, the normal Aygo costs £8500 ($12,586) or so, so a production RWD version wouldn't cost 100k or probably even 20k.

[Matador]

Hmmmmmm......

[dilly-o]

i don't believe a single thing that has been said about the ft86 since its debut. lets review:

-the G-Sport version may or may not make production, maybe just in the Japan market, maybe not
-there might have been a design change from the sexy European studio's version to the tepid California design studio's version, which would have sucked
-for that matter, the toyota version may just be offered in Japan, or not, or the subaru model is only for the USA, or not. and subaru of Australia will hold its breath until subaru promises not to offer a RWD car, thus diluting the brand.
-the engine might or might not be in front of the axle, making a symmetrical AWD (subaru's preferred AWD layout) possible or impossible
-the FT86 might be going up in price, down in power, and up in target demographic
-there might be a RWD Aygo in the works to slot under the FT86.
-there might be a smaller cheaper RWD sports coupe that will meet the original price target of the FT86
-the FT86 might or might not be a scion, the smaller RWD car might or might not be a scion
-there might or might not be a subaru version, which might or might not have AWD, and might or might not have a big turbo.
-oh, and it might or might not be named celica.
-and it might be released in calendar 2011 or 2012, or was it model year 2011 or 2012?

Nevermind the fact that Toyota didn't even disclose the curb weight or the horsepower on either concept. EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION. Please don't overreact to every bit of news. There is clearly a lot of buzz about this vehicle, so the auto mags are gonna milk it, despite probably not being any more informed than we are.