Should I let Toyota replace my fuel pump?

[Darryljr11]

free fuel pump? hell yeah!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

Love your circumstantial evidence

To be fair, the one universally consistent observation of this is that the crickets usually do not occur until the second tank of gas (at the soonest which is why the poll has 300 miles on it) and that a fresh pump is quiet for at least a tank of gas. Indicating that after an initial break in period the pump starts chirping.

I fail to see how it can be anything other than the pump.

[Frost]

Does anyone actually know what make and model the HPFP is?

EDIT: Reason I ask is because I want to look at breakdown of the unit and see why it would chirp like that. Just cuz...

[JSanders]

^No exact answer but from what I've heard, the ethanol in fuel eats at some seals internally. Don't know for sure just sharing what I've been told.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Frost

Does anyone actually know what make and model the HPFP is?

EDIT: Reason I ask is because I want to look at breakdown of the unit and see why it would chirp like that. Just cuz...

This is the best we have:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41776

[Sony]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

Love your circumstantial evidence

This is my third pump...not really circumstantial, the crickets are known to be from the HPFP it's not a guess and Toyota/Subaru have admitted it. Whether or not the crickets will come back is yet to be seen but the crickets ARE from the HPFP. So far I have 1000 miles with the new pump so it's looking promising but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[subwaynm]

Sure allow them to install it. Nothing to lose

[Rio]

To be honest I see no reason to NOT have them install it. If it was a computer and someone wanted to replace a stick of RAM for free just because it was newer, I would say "Hell Yeah, when do I bring it in?"

[FR-S Matt]

The crickets will be back on the new pump, it's just a matter of when. I'm convinced it's a lubrication issue. Temperature doesn't affect my crickets on the new pump. Someone just posted today in the other main thread after 6,000 km, crickets returned on the new pump.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by Rio

If it was a computer and someone wanted to replace a stick of RAM for free just because it was newer, I would say "Hell Yeah, when do I bring it in?"

Lol. Bad idea.

[Hakuzen]

Hi guys,

I was concerned about complications from the install, but I went ahead and let them put it in anyway.

Upon getting the car back, I immediately noticed a brand new "Ticking" sound coming from the HPFP, it was really noticable when cold, but seemed to go away once it was warmed up.

The car seems to actually be running a little better with the new pump, but I found it odd that they did not reset the ECU. I would assume any type of mechanical work on a car would require disconnecting the battery...

I'll keep you guys posted on the "Ticking" noise, I'm hoping it was just a "Brand new part" noise and will go away in a day or two. If not, back to the dealership I go...

[Hakuzen]

Returned the car to the dealership, after about 5 hours I got a call back saying it was a "normal noise", and this coming from the guy who initially heard it with me and agreed that it was a new noise, and a weird one at that.

He said they are going to listen for it again tomorrow morning when its cold and get back to me, but I'm starting to become concerned that they are going to try and force the car back to me with this new noise as a permanent feature. What would my options be in that case? Can I take it to a different service department and have them try and fix it? Or does my warranty lock me to the place I bought it at?

There is no way this noise is normal, my old pump worked fine and never made this noise once in over 2,000 miles. If I get the vehicle back without the noise fixed, Ill record it and post it up and see if any of you have heard it before.They are claiming they heard the same noise from another FR-S on the lot, but

A: I don't believe them

and

B: Even if it's true it's a BAD sounding noise that was never present before they performed service on the vehicle.

Hoping these guys figure this out tomorrow and this doesn't have to go down a bad road. =\

[Boxer486]

Sorry for the new noise issues. But for other people, let this be a warning when you decide to let people you don't know work on your car. T10 tech or otherwise. Stealerships are structured to make more money the faster they work, which means they can never ever treat your car the same way they would treat their own. Each car repair has a set number of hours assigned for that job completion. Beat that number, make money. Take longer and lose money. This means they are incentivized to cram as many hours worth of work into as few hours of actual labor as possible to maximize revenue. Warranty repairs also need to be in and out asap. However, they do loose time and money if they have a 'comeback'. Which is why he's fucking with you now. They don't want it back cuz he'd be working for free.

This all assumes the tech in question was actually properly trained in the first place and gives a shit.

Ultimately, no one will care about your car as much as you do.

Worse come to worse, write a letter to Toyota Motor USA about your dealer. Or threaten to first.

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Sorry for the new noise issues. But for other people, let this be a warning when you decide to let people you don't know work on your car. T10 tech or otherwise. Stealerships are structured to make more money the faster they work, which means they can never ever treat your car the same way they would treat their own. Each car repair has a set number of hours assigned for that job completion. Beat that number, make money. Take longer and lose money. This means means they are incentivized to cram as many hours worth of work into as few hours of actual labor as possible to maximize revenue. Warranty repairs also need to be in and out asap. However, they do loose time and money if they have a 'comeback'. Which is why he's fucking with you now. They don't want it back cuz he'd be working for free.

This all assumes the tech in question was actually properly trained in the first place and gives a shit.

Ultimately, no one will care about your car as much as you do.

Worse come to worse, write a letter to Toyota Motor USA about your dealer. Or threaten to first.

Ok so yea that is the way most repair shops operate but why does that automatically mean that the techs don't care about the cars? I sling wrenches flat rate for a living and can tell you that techs that don't give a shit about the cars they work on are actually rare and if they are there, they aren't working for long. We do what we do well and if we can do it quickly and make money, why should it matter? Every tech I work with cares about the quality of work they put into each car they work on whether they make good time on it or lose time. Don't make assumptions.