rear camber adjuster bolts or lower control arms?

[Tansey86]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

If he's not actively tracking the car there's no need to run -2.3 camber on the back. While it is not a huge difference, there is a difference between -1 to -2.3 camber so getting an LCA kit is a good investment over the life of the car to help tires last more.

Having said that, if he plans on running -2 or -3 in the front, what's the point of going for -1 on the back? Why is tire wear not a concern in the front? If the -2, -3 on the front is for track purposes, then I completely agree with you @ZDan he should keep the -2.35

So with the SPC lca you can bring the rear camber(naturally say from sportlines) from -2.5 to -1 id youd like?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Tansey86

So with the SPC lca you can bring the rear camber(naturally say from sportlines) from -2.5 to -1 id youd like?

Well, there's a Caveat with the LCA's. They move Toe at the same time as Camber. So in my case, I was at -2.4 and was able to dial it in to -1.3. It could not be dialed in down more because the Toe had no more room for adjustment. So in theory yes, you can go from -2.5 to -1, but you will also need adjustable Toe. NOW, specifically talking about the SPC LCA's, they do include a Toe Bushing to allow bigger Toe adjustments. With the Toe bushing, you will be able to make it.

[Tansey86]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Well, there's a Caveat with the LCA's. They move Toe at the same time as Camber. So in my case, I was at -2.4 and was able to dial it in to -1.3. It could not be dialed in down more because the Toe had no more room for adjustment. So in theory yes, you can go from -2.5 to -1, but you will also need adjustable Toe. NOW, specifically talking about the SPC LCA's, they do include a Toe Bushing to allow bigger Toe adjustments. With the Toe bushing, you will be able to make it.

Sportsguy dropping knowledge on the reg. Thanks man.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

If he's not actively tracking the car there's no need to run -2.3 camber on the back. While it is not a huge difference, there is a difference between -1 to -2.3 camber so getting an LCA kit is a good investment over the life of the car to help tires last more.

I don't think it is a good investment, because it's ~$500 NOW, whereas the cost of running -2.35 degrees camber in back is only going to amount to ~10% reduced tire life, which is only going to effectively cost ~$25 or so every 20k miles (assuming shorter-life max perf tires) on average. Depending on usage and tires, I'd *much* rather spend ~$25/yr on average on the increased tire wear starting a year from now *and* enjoy greater ultimate lateral grip, than to spend $500 *right now* and reduce ultimate lateral grip.

Even if that $500 is just kept in a jar instead of being spent on unneeded parts/labor, it would take 20 years to recoup the investment! Much better to not spend the $500, even from a purely financial perspective.

FWIW, I'm running -2 in back on the S2000 and my RS-3 rears are at nearly 20k and still 1/32 left to the wear bars. I just looked at them, and the wear is actually EVEN across the four circumferential grooves. The only discernable "camber wear" is a bevel across the inner half of the innermost tread blocks.

Having said that, if he plans on running -2 or -3 in the front, what's the point of going for -1 on the back? Why is tire wear not a concern in the front?

Zackly. It doesn't make sense.

This thread is starting to remind me of threads I see on S2ki where people want to slam their cars and run uber-hella-flush setups, but don't want to have to run any camber!

OEM camber settings are WAY conservative. You can run a LOT more without any big negatives and with the big positive of increased ultimate dry grip.

-2.35 is not too much for the street, IMO.
Toe is way way WAY more of a factor in tire life.

[Sportsguy83]

^ Agreed, I just thought the SPC's at $200 (new revision, the old one did not look beefy and up to the task) are a good option, but you do make great points.

[Ny Brz]

I have ST coils as well and just swapped the front crash\camber bolts in the front, to get get rid of the current rub i was getting in the front. Once the car was aligned the car handles great for my purpose of DD.

[mike the snake]

I may do an AX or 2, and I may also do a track day as well.

I went with staggered, 245 front and 265 rear, so I figured if I went with less rear camber and more front camber, it might help with the extra understeer that my wheel/tire choices will cause.

I still have the stock wheels and tires, and I've tossed around the idea of getting some sticky tires for those wheels and use them for AX or track days.

I'm not too worried about tire wear, just trying to set my car up to be balanced if i can.

Thanks for the replies, I may just leave it all alone. Asking questions and getting answers helps me decide what I want to do.

[evil_1998]

Originally Posted by Tansey86

What was your natural camber in the front and rear after dropping the car on sportlines? I'm interested in those springs but I want to make sure I can get rid of all the camber once I install them and get back to the oem alignment.

Fronts was close to 0 camber.

I had -1.29 (L) & -2.29 (R) before the bushes.

[SubaSteve]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I initially bought the Whiteline bushing kit. After dropping my car on Tarmac 0 coilovers, I had -1.8 and -2.4 on the back. The whiteline bushing kit only adjusted .75 degrees.

I went ahead and sold the Bushing kit before installing it and bought a set of new version SPC LCA's for ~$200. Easy to install, very easy to adjust and now have -1.3 camber on both sides. Go with that, no need for the $400+ LCA's.

My brother and I did the install on the kit and let me tell you it was a pita.

[ZionsWrath]

Do they make a complete kit? When i bought a kit for my honda (ingalls) it came with adjustable toe and camber arms.

[keonigt]

Just to clarify, lower control arms are used to increase and decrease camber?

[cjd]

Originally Posted by keonigt

Just to clarify, lower control arms are used to increase and decrease camber?

Correct.