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neutron256 · 04-06-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AX_FRS

I think that tire shops, or any shop that replaces tires really, has to put TPMS sensors in whatever wheels they sell you for your car if it is equipped with TPMS. There may be places that will go around it if you're just buying a set a wheels... but I'm not sure.

This depends on state/local laws. As far as I know they are not required in Minnesota... Yet.

Brian S · 04-21-2012, 04:55 PM

Hey guys this is my first post here and I thought this would be a nice area to chime in. I previously worked at Toyota as a tech before I graduated and started in the engineering field, but I can give you some information on this topic as there seems to be a lot of confusion. Depending on the manufacture and the way they incorporate the sensor it is understood if you worked on various models. Toyota's newer TPMS sensors are actually apart of the valve stem and the way you can see if this is true is by looking at the valve stem, you will see an aluminum hex located right under the stem, which holds the sensor in place. If that is the case the sensor will have a registration number on the back, but the only reason this registration number will need to be inputted into Toyotas brick is if a sensor becomes damaged and needs to be replaced, so if you put rims on your car, even different sizes you will not need the dealer to do the job as registration numbers are stored data.

One thing that you should probably make sure is that each sensor is put on the same wheel for diagnostic purposes and control/nav units, so if you do get new wheels make sure whoever working on your vehicle knows this. If the TPMS sensor does come on check the gage pressure and verify the gage pressure with the pressures on the door jam. If this pressure was adjusted which is why the light turned on sometimes the car needs to be driven for a couple of minutes or it will turn off right away due to radio frequencies and interference. If it is still on after the new wheels come on take it back to the shop that worked on it and they will probably be buying you a new sensor since they probably broke it. Make sure when you drop the vehicle off to show the manager that you do not have any dash lights on which mainly means TPMS indicater. Sorry if there is any confusion.

NYC BRZ · 05-02-2012, 08:08 AM

I work for an aftermarket manufacturer that makes TPMS sensors and I am really curious to get this car to see what they have. It's most likely your basic Subie TPMS. You don't always need a scan tool like the ATEQ or BARTEQ tools. There will be a factory relearn procedure after you rotate the tires. Usually there's a simple manual relearn process where you do some sort of key on/off step and then start at one if the front wheels and add/reduce tire pressure to "wake" the sensors up. You do it in a specific order (usually FR, FL, RL, RR) to set them in the correct position. It's easy.

There's also certain states that may fail your inspection if your TPMS light is on. It probably won't pass since but it's interesting nonetheless. Your shelf life of a TPMS battery should be around 10 years but that's not to say that many don't fail early. I have an experimental set in my G8 right now that are cloneable. You take this awesome little $99 tool, buy one if my company's blank sensors (at a fine auto parts store near you), read the ID number off the customers dead/broken sensor and input it into the tool which writes it to the sensor. You install and off you go. You can feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger in that 6th Day movie, you've mastered cloning! Lol

stevo_12v · 05-02-2012, 08:35 AM

I'll be getting some WedsSport TC105N wheels later on this week and am curious as to the cost of the sensors. And also how long would it take to reprogram each new sensor, and if anyone has any idea of an approximate cost for the labour to program them?

Thanks!

M-17 · 05-02-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark

I will pretend that the light is not there.

Same here, if that's what it comes to.

OrbitalEllipses · 05-03-2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by neutron256

Agreed! I hate that my car knows the tire pressure, and tempeature of each wheel, but doesn't see fit to share that info with me. I do have a TPMS tool that reads the sensor ID's, Temp, and pressure which is really nice.

Yeah! The car also knows what the diagnostic trouble code means, AFRs, and other important information that we all have to buy other tools to access. Makes no common sense...

NYC BRZ · 05-09-2012, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo_12v

I'll be getting some WedsSport TC105N wheels later on this week and am curious as to the cost of the sensors. And also how long would it take to reprogram each new sensor, and if anyone has any idea of an approximate cost for the labour to program them?

Thanks!

Depending on the tool the shop uses it can take anywhere from 1-20 minutes.

Mavrik · 05-29-2012, 10:33 PM

rumor has it if the tpms is on, it will not allow you to turn off traction control? I call BS on this due to many tire swaps I've done and seen done on subaru before. But this a joint venture with Toyota.

But they had to expect us to swap tires for track days this car was designed for right?

Has anyone driven their BRZ with the TPMS illuminated and see if all the other stuff works just fine?

dsgerbc · 05-29-2012, 11:45 PM

Since this got bumped - I remembered I wanted to test all the tpms tools I had for my older Subie.

At this point, sadly, nothing worked. Tried reading sensor ID data with Autel ts301 tool right off wheels and it found nothing (although I'll try tomorrow a lot sooner after driving). The Ateq Quickset, when set to different MY12 Subaru profiles, failed to read the IDs from the ECU (might try some Toyota/Lexus ones later). Maybe they'll work in the future. I suppose it could help if someone had part numbers for sensors and TPMS brain, to see if they match other Subarus or Toyotas.

NYC BRZ · 05-30-2012, 07:57 AM

Scooby South mentioned on another thread that the BRZ uses a completely different TPMS than other Subies.

trueno86power · 05-30-2012, 01:31 PM

Aw crap.

These sensors won't fit onto my wheels. Some wheels are not compatible with TPMS sensor. Hope it won't stop me from removing the traction control.

If someone could test this out would be nice.

neutron256 · 05-30-2012, 01:43 PM

Has anyone confirmed that TPMS will prevent you from turning off traction control? I know my CR-Z does this but lots of cars don't.

If that is the case I'm going to need to get TPMS in my winter wheels because I'm not going to risk getting stuck in the snow with traction control killing my power.

dsgerbc · 05-30-2012, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC BRZ

Scooby South mentioned on another thread that the BRZ uses a completely different TPMS than other Subies. The OE number is 15208AA130

That's the oil filter p/n

28103CA000.

I did try reading sensors right after driving and it didn't work either. So I guess this means two things: my tool is outdated and none of the wheels I have with Subaru sensors will work with BRZ TPMS.

P.S. I really feel blind w/o access to an up-to-date version of subaru-fast and FSM...

Primo86 · 05-30-2012, 07:31 PM

At the BMW shop I work in the TPMS is a seperate part from the actual wheel itself. It is a small device which is mounted behind the valve stem inside the wheel under the tire. It is extremely common to swap them out during routine services like a balance or mounting new wheels.

Obviously this applies to BMWs, but it is really a small job. We have boxes of BMW ones in stock we just install and they wirelessly communicate with the ECU.

I am unsure if this is the case with other German cars let alone Japanese, but I can't imagine it would be that different.

05-02-2012, 08:08 AM	#17
NYC BRZ AutoX Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 08 Pontiac G8 GT,13 GBS BRZ Limited Location: Queens, NY Posts: 723 Thanks: 168 Thanked 118 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I work for an aftermarket manufacturer that makes TPMS sensors and I am really curious to get this car to see what they have. It's most likely your basic Subie TPMS. You don't always need a scan tool like the ATEQ or BARTEQ tools. There will be a factory relearn procedure after you rotate the tires. Usually there's a simple manual relearn process where you do some sort of key on/off step and then start at one if the front wheels and add/reduce tire pressure to "wake" the sensors up. You do it in a specific order (usually FR, FL, RL, RR) to set them in the correct position. It's easy. There's also certain states that may fail your inspection if your TPMS light is on. It probably won't pass since but it's interesting nonetheless. Your shelf life of a TPMS battery should be around 10 years but that's not to say that many don't fail early. I have an experimental set in my G8 right now that are cloneable. You take this awesome little $99 tool, buy one if my company's blank sensors (at a fine auto parts store near you), read the ID number off the customers dead/broken sensor and input it into the tool which writes it to the sensor. You install and off you go. You can feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger in that 6th Day movie, you've mastered cloning! Lol __________________ 2013 BRZ Limited- GBS - 6MT -VIN #0937 ~~NYR SCCA # 18 C Street R (CSR)~~ "But there’s no mistaking the noise. This car is loud, and not in a particularly nice way. There’s no crisp exhaust note, no induction wheezing. It’s just the sound of petrol exploding in a metal box." - Jeremy Clarkson Last edited by NYC BRZ; 05-02-2012 at 08:19 AM.

05-30-2012, 07:57 AM	#24
NYC BRZ AutoX Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 08 Pontiac G8 GT,13 GBS BRZ Limited Location: Queens, NY Posts: 723 Thanks: 168 Thanked 118 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Scooby South mentioned on another thread that the BRZ uses a completely different TPMS than other Subies. __________________ 2013 BRZ Limited- GBS - 6MT -VIN #0937 ~~NYR SCCA # 18 C Street R (CSR)~~ "But there’s no mistaking the noise. This car is loud, and not in a particularly nice way. There’s no crisp exhaust note, no induction wheezing. It’s just the sound of petrol exploding in a metal box." - Jeremy Clarkson Last edited by NYC BRZ; 05-30-2012 at 02:19 PM.

05-30-2012, 01:31 PM	#25
trueno86power [\|\|•]=(86)=[•\|\|] Join Date: Jan 2010 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 Location: Quebec Posts: 963 Thanks: 173 Thanked 489 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Aw crap. These sensors won't fit onto my wheels. Some wheels are not compatible with TPMS sensor. Hope it won't stop me from removing the traction control. If someone could test this out would be nice. __________________ trueno86power GR \| TOM'S \| TRD 2017 Toyota 86

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04-21-2012, 04:55 PM	#16
Brian S Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: Hinda Civic Location: Philadelphia Posts: 57 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hey guys this is my first post here and I thought this would be a nice area to chime in. I previously worked at Toyota as a tech before I graduated and started in the engineering field, but I can give you some information on this topic as there seems to be a lot of confusion. Depending on the manufacture and the way they incorporate the sensor it is understood if you worked on various models. Toyota's newer TPMS sensors are actually apart of the valve stem and the way you can see if this is true is by looking at the valve stem, you will see an aluminum hex located right under the stem, which holds the sensor in place. If that is the case the sensor will have a registration number on the back, but the only reason this registration number will need to be inputted into Toyotas brick is if a sensor becomes damaged and needs to be replaced, so if you put rims on your car, even different sizes you will not need the dealer to do the job as registration numbers are stored data. One thing that you should probably make sure is that each sensor is put on the same wheel for diagnostic purposes and control/nav units, so if you do get new wheels make sure whoever working on your vehicle knows this. If the TPMS sensor does come on check the gage pressure and verify the gage pressure with the pressures on the door jam. If this pressure was adjusted which is why the light turned on sometimes the car needs to be driven for a couple of minutes or it will turn off right away due to radio frequencies and interference. If it is still on after the new wheels come on take it back to the shop that worked on it and they will probably be buying you a new sensor since they probably broke it. Make sure when you drop the vehicle off to show the manager that you do not have any dash lights on which mainly means TPMS indicater. Sorry if there is any confusion.

05-29-2012, 10:33 PM	#22
Mavrik Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: Alaska Posts: 60 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	rumor has it if the tpms is on, it will not allow you to turn off traction control? I call BS on this due to many tire swaps I've done and seen done on subaru before. But this a joint venture with Toyota. But they had to expect us to swap tires for track days this car was designed for right? Has anyone driven their BRZ with the TPMS illuminated and see if all the other stuff works just fine?

05-29-2012, 11:45 PM	#23
dsgerbc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ(sold), STI Location: A2, MI Posts: 1,915 Thanks: 176 Thanked 419 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Since this got bumped - I remembered I wanted to test all the tpms tools I had for my older Subie. At this point, sadly, nothing worked. Tried reading sensor ID data with Autel ts301 tool right off wheels and it found nothing (although I'll try tomorrow a lot sooner after driving). The Ateq Quickset, when set to different MY12 Subaru profiles, failed to read the IDs from the ECU (might try some Toyota/Lexus ones later). Maybe they'll work in the future. I suppose it could help if someone had part numbers for sensors and TPMS brain, to see if they match other Subarus or Toyotas.

05-30-2012, 01:43 PM	#26
neutron256 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: '13 GBS Subaru BRZ Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,030 Thanks: 680 Thanked 664 Times in 382 Posts Mentioned: 26 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Has anyone confirmed that TPMS will prevent you from turning off traction control? I know my CR-Z does this but lots of cars don't. If that is the case I'm going to need to get TPMS in my winter wheels because I'm not going to risk getting stuck in the snow with traction control killing my power.

05-30-2012, 07:31 PM	#28
Primo86 Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: '05 Toyota Celica (Sold) Scion FR-S Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 47 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	At the BMW shop I work in the TPMS is a seperate part from the actual wheel itself. It is a small device which is mounted behind the valve stem inside the wheel under the tire. It is extremely common to swap them out during routine services like a balance or mounting new wheels. Obviously this applies to BMWs, but it is really a small job. We have boxes of BMW ones in stock we just install and they wirelessly communicate with the ECU. I am unsure if this is the case with other German cars let alone Japanese, but I can't imagine it would be that different.

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