Stupid Question

[yayforaddison]

Originally Posted by neutron256

I think some people are confusing "Push-to-start" with "push starting" which is what the OP was asking about.

I think we are all a bit confused now. We need to call "Push-to-start" something else... lol

But imagine if your battery were dead from maybe leaving some lights on in your car, or whatnot, and you have "Push-to-start". How would you "push start" the car if you can't get the "Push-to-start" button into the "ON" position (typically pushing the "Push-to-start" button without your foot on the break will turn it "ON" without starting the engine). How would you get the car started?

It sounds like you guys wanting "Push-to-start", may just need roadside assistance.

[yayforaddison]

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

Looks like everyone is on the same page to me

Although I'm still trying to figure out this one:


Also yayforaddsion, a battery can have enough juice to power the accessories but not enough to start an engine.

It CAN, but if it didn't have enough juice. Like Canibuz said, If its very cold and the battery acted dead. Or if the battery was literally dead from other reasons. Maybe you left ACC on overnight, would you still be able to push start a car with the Push-to-start button

[WhiteGDB]

In that situation, I'd have to defer to someone who has had that experience. I'd guess you'd be SOL.

[neutron256]

Maybe instead of investing in a battery warmer get a portable jump stat kit. That way you're not wasting electricity heating a battery all winter for the rare extra cold day you would have a problem.

[Alias]

Originally Posted by yayforaddison

If its very cold and the battery acted dead. Or if the battery was literally dead from other reasons. Would you still be able to push start a car with the Push-to-start button

Would you still be able to even get inside the vehicle? If it's keyless and has no power running to it (I think it takes 9-10 volts or so minimum) how are you going to get the door open?

I know some cars handle this by having a hidden key inside the fob but haven't heard anything like that with the BRZ. I haven't been looking at the push button start too hard because I don't want it on my vehicle but I think if it was addressed I would have read it somewhere already.

[Canibuz]

Originally Posted by Alias

Would you still be able to even get inside the vehicle? If it's keyless and has no power running to it (I think it takes 9-10 volts or so minimum) how are you going to get the door open?

I know some cars handle this by having a hidden key inside the fob but haven't heard anything like that with the BRZ. I haven't been looking at the push button start too hard because I don't want it on my vehicle but I think if it was addressed I would have read it somewhere already.

When I started this thread I feared it would turn into the "touching" vs "holding" argument on the automatic door unlocking thread

I have not been the only one to experience this in RI, I know it doesn't get as cold as Canada but it has happened. Who knows maybe everyone in RI is retarded and all left our lights on the day it happened to be -10 outside. I would hope I don't have to worry about this with a new car, but you never know hence why I asked the question. And yes I did change my username!

Guess I will be making a youtube video with the results during the first winter it has to endure!

*Edit* Portable jump start kit sounds smarter, but if the battery is dead how can I "hold" or "touch" the door to get in and release the hood, which exactly what Alias questioned in his post. </endlessloop>

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by yayforaddison

You said you've done it in your Lexus, but your Lexus had a working battery. How are you going to push the button twice to get the switch "ON" if the battery were dead??

You only need enough juice to get the car to the "On" position, which is considerably less than required to actually start the car.

You are correct though, if you have a completely dead battery, it is not possible at all.

Originally Posted by Alias

Would you still be able to even get inside the vehicle? If it's keyless and has no power running to it (I think it takes 9-10 volts or so minimum) how are you going to get the door open?

I know some cars handle this by having a hidden key inside the fob but haven't heard anything like that with the BRZ. I haven't been looking at the push button start too hard because I don't want it on my vehicle but I think if it was addressed I would have read it somewhere already.

I don't think I've seen a car that didn't have some way to get into the car when the battery is dead. Usually a mechanical key in the fob that can open the driver's door. This is also important if the battery in the smart key fob dies, you can still start the car, but you need to be able to get into the car to do that.

Jeff

[neutron256]

You could also just make sure you have a good battery. I don't think I've had a car fail to start even on -15 degree days in years and that was with a battery that was at least 5 years old.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

Although I'm still trying to figure out this one:

Synthetic oil is much more stable in varying temperatures. One of the biggest reasons a car doesn't start in the cold, aside from not having a battery that's up to the task, is that the oil is too viscus. Notice that I live in Nova Scotia, ie -10 degs C is pretty common in winter, -25 or even -30 isn't unheard of. I can tell you for certain that a lawn tractor battery will start a 2.0L four banger, that's running synthetic oil, in any of these temperatures. A proper car battery should have zero issues in Rhode Island, unless the battery is dying or the oil is WAY too old. Hense I suggested replacing the battery.

[Canibuz]

Originally Posted by Calum

Synthetic oil is much more stable in varying temperatures. One of the biggest reasons a car doesn't start in the cold, aside from not having a battery that's up to the task, is that the oil is too viscus. Notice that I live in Nova Scotia, ie -10 degs C is pretty common in winter, -25 or even -30 isn't unheard of. I can tell you for certain that a lawn tractor battery will start a 2.0L four banger, that's running synthetic oil, in any of these temperatures. A proper car battery should have zero issues in Rhode Island, unless the battery is dying or the oil is WAY too old. Hense I suggested replacing the battery.

That is an understandable assessment. However, environmental factors aside. I am guessing that if the battery is dead via user error. That the rolling start technique might not actual work with a push start system. This was the theory behind the question I initially asked.

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by Canibuz

That is an understandable assessment. However, environmental factors aside. I am guessing that if the battery is dead via user error. That the rolling start technique might not actual work with a push start system. This was the theory behind the question I initially asked.

Yeah you need enough juice to get it into the "On" mode. If you can't, you have no hope of push-starting it.

Jeff