Feeling the Nannies for the first time.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You're overthinking it.

This is not the first time I've been told this and I give you thanks for your follow-up.


@Turdinator I thought that might be a fun experiment but I had a passenger and about five minutes before reaching this particular corner I had got a call (hands-free ftw) in which I was told we would BOTH get free food and beer if I headed back into town. I would have sessioned that corner for a quarter-tank of fuel if not for that victual dilemma.

@kolpap I appreciate your analysis of the systems. What I experienced is very similar to what your described. I felt the brakes and power-cut happen very abrubtly but also found that when I was rolling safely at 15MPH out of the turn I was able to punch the gas again and move along at an acceptable rate for the road.

[Ganthrithor]

I'll be curious to see when I get my car (just a few weeks now!) how intrusive the nannies are on the BRZ. I know on my GTI and the family 135 you have to push pretty hard (or drive pretty sloppily) to get them to engage.

It's definitely a good idea to learn to drive without the electronics though. Whenever you get the chance I'd practice with them off. If you can get to the point where you can drive smoothly by practicing with the electronics off, then you'll find that during street driving the nannies should almost never intrude (since you won't be upsetting the balance of the car): the most you should get is some traction control under hard acceleration (with all systems on the car usually doesn't want to let you get any slip angle).

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

I'll be curious to see when I get my car (just a few weeks now!) how intrusive the nannies are on the BRZ. I know on my GTI and the family 135 you have to push pretty hard (or drive pretty sloppily) to get them to engage.

It's definitely a good idea to learn to drive without the electronics though. Whenever you get the chance I'd practice with them off. If you can get to the point where you can drive smoothly by practicing with the electronics off, then you'll find that during street driving the nannies should almost never intrude (since you won't be upsetting the balance of the car): the most you should get is some traction control under hard acceleration (with all systems on the car usually doesn't want to let you get any slip angle).

Aggressive cornering and sudden/sloppy inputs with trigger the nannies with ease. I did enjoy taking an intersection at 40MPH real sloppy this morning on my sticky tires; when the rear wanted to kick out due to elevation change/gravel, power cut a bit and the car straightened out exactly as I needed it too. Don't waste time sliding on my morning commute!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

I'll be curious to see when I get my car (just a few weeks now!) how intrusive the nannies are on the BRZ.

What Orbital said above, people complain about the tires being "prius tires" (but they're on more Audi's than Toyota's) but to break traction you have to be driving at a level where you could be pulled over and cited for reckless driving. (i.e. redlining it sideways up an onramp even if you're only doing 40 mph is still exhibition of speed and is citable)

The only time the "nannies" will come in is if you're traveling too fast for the road (negligence) or you are making a conscious effort to be a hooligan.


Driving like a safe motorist you should never feel the safety features kick in.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Driving like a safe motorist you should never feel the safety features kick in.

A caveat here is inclement weather. I have on multiple occasions had the nannies intervene in the wet either due to poor driving (clutch/gas) or simply due to poor road conditions (standing water, gravel, salt, sand).

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

A caveat here is inclement weather. I have on multiple occasions had the nannies intervene in the wet either due to poor driving (clutch/gas) or simply due to poor road conditions (standing water, gravel, salt, sand).

Would they have intervened if you had reduced your speed due to said weather?

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Goody

which brings up my original idea for people's personal experiences/thoughts regarding what the "Nannies" do to the car--or don't do.

The nannies are safety systems first and foremost. That is to say, they are not designed to make you faster. They are designed to help catch a problem. Even a skilled driving enthusiast can be caught unawares during mundane street driving. By cutting power and managing wheelspin these systems work together in an attempt to minimize loss of traction (and resulting oversteer, understeer, etc) and maximize control. Often times they are very helpful. At times they get in the way of purposefully sport-oriented driving. This is why they have an off button.

Best way to learn about them is to try maneuvers with them on, then off, in a safe environment.

Just my personal experience from driving various systems on different cars over the years. Hope this helps. Welcome to FT86Club!

[CircuitJerk]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

What the fuck is wrong with youtube? For the last day or two I haven't been able to watch videos at any resolution-- even 240p shit sits there buffering for several minutes after every few seconds of video. It's not my internet connection, youtube's just been unusable.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comm...es_are/c91qw0l

[zc06_kisstherain]

hmmmm

[edward]

Just for the record, the BRZ/FR-S is a very tail happy car indeed, as set up from the factory. I would advise that anyone new to RWD cars learn how it handles with the systems off on a piece of pavement away from stationary (or other moving) objects.

[Ganthrithor]

Originally Posted by edward

Just for the record, the BRZ/FR-S is a very tail happy car indeed, as set up from the factory. I would advise that anyone new to RWD cars learn how it handles with the systems off on a piece of pavement away from stationary (or other moving) objects.

I fully intend to

[daiheadjai]

Just surprised no one has asked this already:

What on earth are you doing feeling the nannies?!

[radroach]

VSC is really good when you're on rain slicked roads where there's a possibility you'd give it too much power in a corner and spin out. However on good roads at high speeds the car works better to let the tail slide a little bit, so long as your angle is good, it's better to leave VSC partially off if you want more control in the corners.

[edward]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Just surprised no one has asked this already:

What on earth are you doing feeling the nannies?!

Driving the car like it was meant to be driven.

Why buy a driver's car (that is somewhat compromised in the comfort department) if you have no intention of driving it as its creator intended?

(Yeah, yeah, I realize a lot of people buy a car because they like how it looks, or want to turn it into a show car, etc.)