Anyone put UEL headers on this car yet?

[Bounce]

Holy shit that sounded good!

[subatoy]

thats exactly how this car should sound!

[meeks]

hnnnnnnggggggggggggg bonerrrr111!!1!!1!!

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

please shut up and stop using that word incorrectly, its not rice and far from it. Rice would be adding a spoiler to a FWD car.

Rice is something that has no performance benefit and just adds “look at me” factor...
Now, someone more informed than me can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t UEL headers negatively affect power production due to exhaust pulses or something??
So how can you say that something that reduces performance and is just for a different sound is NOT rice?

[meeks]

Originally Posted by Nafe

Rice is something that has no performance benefit and just adds “look at me” factor...
Now, someone more informed than me can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t UEL headers negatively affect power production due to exhaust pulses or something??
So how can you say that something that reduces performance and is just for a different sound is NOT rice?

to your point, yes you are correct. however since you're going technical on everyone here, if this gives even a little bit of gain would you still consider that rice? dat elitist attitude. can someone just admire the boxer noise without getting bashed 0o0o1000hplost when you install this?

have a good day, sir!

[driftartist]

i guess in ca if we get uel we will have to swap for smog every two years then? so weak...i hate that the cat is part of the stock manifold. what about people that want to mildly tune for street legal use....but i guess that isnt practical either. im lame

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by meeks

to your point, yes you are correct. however since you're going technical on everyone here, if this gives even a little bit of gain would you still consider that rice? dat elitist attitude. can someone just admire the boxer noise without getting bashed 0o0o1000hplost when you install this?

have a good day, sir!

I seriously fail to see how I have an “elitist attitude”? All I was doing was simply stating facts. Someone accused someone else of misusing the term “rice”, when it wasn’t being misused in the first place??
Since when did stating correct facts/correcting someone else’s error give someone an elitist attitude?
My post had nothing to with hating or liking the noise, the post was to do with someone posting something that was totally wrong..
And FWIW, no I personally wouldn’t do it for the sound, even for a small gain. Because all of the equal length headers have higher gains.
If someone likes the sounds and wants to do it, awesome, good on them. But don’t go around talking shit saying it isn’t “rice” when it actually decreases power and is only being done for the sound.....

[Bonburner]

I'm still debating UEL or evens .. mostly because I drive SB to OC commutes occasionally and it might bug me during the long drives ..
plus that smog thing might b a problem later hmmm

then again as long as the computer doesn't light up with the new law should be good

[rice_classic]

Add me to the list of not a fan. UEL noise is what I like least about Subarus. As for the 86, if the UEL header makes more power then EL headers then it's hard to argue with that. However, if you can make the same power on EL headers vs UEL headers then I guess the only point of UEL's at that point is just noise.

It reminds of a t-shirt I saw at a carshow that said: "My vtec goes baaaaaaAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"

[wheelhaus]

Originally Posted by Nafe

And FWIW, no I personally wouldn’t do it for the sound, even for a small gain. Because all of the equal length headers have higher gains.
If someone likes the sounds and wants to do it, awesome, good on them. But don’t go around talking shit saying it isn’t “rice” when it actually decreases power and is only being done for the sound.....

Of the upcoming exhaust designs for the FRZ/BRZ, I don't expect any will "reduce" power from stock. They should all make gains. Granted, EL is expected to make a bit more. But, if one EL header is making everyone on teh internets go OMGBONERTYME because it makes the most horzpowahs, that doesn't relegate all the other EL designs to be instant rice or poser because they produce a few less ponies. If a few designs are UEL (but still produce gains over stock), so be it. After all, it IS a boxer engine, so, therefore, having that signature deep snarl of a boxer does not make it rice. Opinions are a dime a dozen, but this is clearly not a "rice" item.

Flashy LED valve caps? sure. LFA body kit? Sure. Racing stripes or a big phat spoiler? Sure. Boxer rumble from a Boxer engine? nope.

[nix]

Originally Posted by Nafe

I seriously fail to see how I have an “elitist attitude”? All I was doing was simply stating facts. Someone accused someone else of misusing the term “rice”, when it wasn’t being misused in the first place??
Since when did stating correct facts/correcting someone else’s error give someone an elitist attitude?
My post had nothing to with hating or liking the noise, the post was to do with someone posting something that was totally wrong..
And FWIW, no I personally wouldn’t do it for the sound, even for a small gain. Because all of the equal length headers have higher gains.
If someone likes the sounds and wants to do it, awesome, good on them. But don’t go around talking shit saying it isn’t “rice” when it actually decreases power and is only being done for the sound.....

Since when are you the judiciary of the known universe? You say it's rice, he says it's not, each to their own.

Btw rice is LED window washers or 4 fart cans on a CRX, not tuning exhaust for a desired sound.

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by nix

Since when are you the judiciary of the known universe? You say it's rice, he says it's not, each to their own.

Btw rice is LED window washers or 4 fart cans on a CRX, not tuning exhaust for a desired sound.

Not saying I am the judiciary of anything, mate. care to quote a line where I did?
BUT rice is something that adds no performance to a vehicle and is there for a "look at me" factor. It's not really an "each to their own" thing... Desired exhaust sound is for sure, but not the definition of rice. It reduces the performance and adds to a look at me factor. Pretty straight froward stuff.
Yeah, LEDs and fart cans are rice for the same reason this is. They add no performance and add to look at me... Same thing, just your example is the opposite end of the scale....
As I said, if someone wants that sound, good for them, we all have our own opinion on waht sounds good, but it detracts performance. Simple.

[driftartist]

Ill chime in and disagree respectfully. By the norm, Subarus sound like that by default (uel header) its only amplified by an exhaust. Now the engine is still engineered by subaru the platform is the same but the equal length exhaust manifold doesnt have the trademark subaru sound. It isnt rice in my opinion to change it to make that sound because it is an owners/enthusiasts preference. If i want to change my shift knob to a red one to match my car that has no gain in engine performance it is not rice. Rice is distasteful/classless modification.

Besides wether or not we change our manifolds to an equal or unequal length is irrelevant because either way the removal of that restrictive cat manifold will be a gain itself. Its just now a matter of who likes what sound.

Also, when shopping for exhaust, we shop around to find the most productive product but also has a cool layout and finish and some like them loud. Others like them quiet. In either case what im trying to say is dont judge people based on their preference.

Its no different than if i want to wear a black shirt or a blue shirt based on the way i want to look. Judgement is for wannbe posers. Dont be a poser be an enthusiast and let people make their own choices without ridicule. Kay? Kay!

[bimmerboy]

that borla prototype sounds soooo goooood. Call me a ricer all you want, i've been waiting for a boxer rumble + rwd for years