Meth is making everyone insane.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well, the first article is long, but basically says the efforts to stop meth production from ephedrine sources like Sudafed encouraged the production of P2P, which created variants that either are inherently more damaging to the brain and less pure or that the other chemicals used to produce P2P are toxic. The result is that people are developing schizophrenia, acute psychosis, paranoia, etc at higher rates, much faster and to a greater degree. In many ways, this is true of synthetic opioids and other designer drugs versus the natural compounds; the natural compounds are far less harmful to the body, but in the case of meth, it is on a whole different level of how it destroys the brain.

The article mentions how long time users of meth could count on a progressive decline in health such as heart disease and mental problems, but the deterioration took years or decades, but now the P2P meth is causing psychosis immediately or within a far shorter period of time. This is what we are seeing in the ER. Far more users are now clinically psychotic, most likely for life.

The second article mentions programs to incentivize sobriety. It is one idea of many that will be needed to address this problem. The crazy thing is I have not only never seen so many homeless, but the homeless I am seeing are far different. It is like a zombie apocalypse out there. They are tweaking hard and talking to themselves. They are collecting all sorts of trash and building their forts like busy beavers that can't help themselves. It is very different than the homeless with a box or tent on the sidewalk or users of alcohol or heroine that pass out somewhere. The meth users leave this path of destruction wherever they go. It is sad and bad for everyone.

Dr. Carl Hart says 80% of users of drugs aren't living entirely dysfunctional lives like we think. Like a guy who chugs a twelve pack each night, many people use drugs while maintaining jobs and relationships. A smaller subset abuse them, but with meth, this is much more common, and with P2P meth, the damage is almost guaranteed.

I think it is time to legalize all drugs (pharmaceuticals and the drug policing machine won't allow it). The synthetic alternatives are worse and causing more damage. Legalize it, regulate it, and reasonably tax it and funnel the taxes back into education and prevention programs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/n...art-drugs.html

Suboxone and benzos took a year to get out of my system. When I was a kid it took 5 days to kick heroin.

[Lantanafrs2]

Surefire way to set an alcoholic up in small business is to give him a big business and wait a year

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Again, the war against drugs is ineffective. In some ways, the laws we create to make drugs illegal and to combat drug trafficking only adds to the problem; the article highlights that when it discusses the shift to P2P. We need to work more on demand with education, de-stigmatizing users, programs to reduce poverty and homelessness, so people don't turn to drugs, etc.

I am not trying to be flippant or sarcastic when I say this thread will get banned because what you have stated is a political problem.
Try bringing up decriminalization and police, politicians, help groups all have a endless argument on what should be done. And nothing gets done.
In Scandinavian countries drug abuse is seen a a social issue not a criminal issue. Best of luck getting that attitude implemented there or here.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I am not trying to be flippant or sarcastic when I say this thread will get banned because what you have stated is a political problem.
Try bringing up decriminalization and police, politicians, help groups all have a endless argument on what should be done. And nothing gets done.
In Scandinavian countries drug abuse is seen a a social issue not a criminal issue. Best of luck getting that attitude implemented there or here.

It has been decriminalized in my state. Just distribution of controlled substance is still a crime. I can't say if it is better or worse as the last couple years have been a bit of a ride. I'd imagine not sticking people farther in a hole with fines and jail time is probably for the better, but again, too difficult to tell at the moment. I can say that the homeless issue has exploded in the last few years, but there are a lot of factors to that.

[TommyW]

Much of the drugs comes from the southern border so why it's open is a big mystery, but maybe not.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Much of the drugs comes from the southern border so why it's open is a big mystery, but maybe not.

Well you could always build a big wall. That would surely make all the drugs and drug addictions just suddenly disappear!

[Lantanafrs2]

I'm more concerned with the northern border. All those bradleys even though I like bradley.

[Lantanafrs2]

The big problem with addicts and alcoholics like myself is that we dont think we have a problem. Everyone else does

[wbradley]

Fentanyl floods in from China. You can see it on those reality border customs shows. Same with lots of other drugs.
Somehow, I managed to avoid trying ecstasy in my younger years and am happy I did. Who needs to fuck with their serotonin levels. Creating deficits as a side effect is far too high a price to pay.
I stick with legal cannabis and for me it is so much more mild in effect compared to alcohol. When I'm really busy I quickly forget cannabis though.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I stick with legal cannabis and for me it is so much more mild in effect compared to alcohol. When I'm really busy I quickly forget cannabis though.

The oils you can buy here legally are stupid strong. Like 60-70% THC, sometimes higher. I know guys that have built up such a tolerance, it is the only thing they can use. A regular pre-rolled at around 20% is like drinking a glass of water.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Fentanyl floods in from China. You can see it on those reality border customs shows. Same with lots of other drugs.
Somehow, I managed to avoid trying ecstasy in my younger years and am happy I did. Who needs to fuck with their serotonin levels. Creating deficits as a side effect is far too high a price to pay.
I stick with legal cannabis and for me it is so much more mild in effect compared to alcohol. When I'm really busy I quickly forget cannabis though.

I used x as a kid. It's a fuck drug and creates pregnancies. It also used to dry the spine our. Kids use molly now.

[FR-S2GT86]

Originally Posted by spike021

I really wish at the very least for alcohol we could stop the Big Corp from advertising it everywhere.

I see ads all the time. Watch a baseball game? See a bunch of ads for beer, whiskey, etc. We want baseball, a national pastime, to be a family-friendly event. Even going to the game itself you're inundated with alcoholic stuff. Some carts on the concourses only sell beer, have bottles displayed everywhere. There are now massive advertisements with alcohol companies. People literally from Coors or w/e trying to get you to sign up to pledge not to drive home drunk. You're lucky if most of your row isn't full of people double-fisting $15 cups of beer.

And that's just alcohol. I'm not anti-alcohol but none of this type of stuff helps the issue.

I totally agree with this. I've been in bars and clubs where all they sell is alcoholic beverages! It was shocking!

[FR-S2GT86]

As long as the ultra-rich are making money off of you in labor taxes, (read: Slave Labor) they don't give a shit what you're hooked on.
And to them, they simply don't see it as a problem.

[p1l0t]

I didn't realize there was like a meth 2.0 now until this thread.

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