New Flowmaster Cat back system

[drifter]

Originally Posted by Symbiont

Yeah, I really don't like Flowmaster, at all. Just my 2 cents.

I personally don't know a thing about them, but just curious why you don't like them.

[Symbiont]

Originally Posted by drifter

I personally don't know a thing about them, but just curious why you don't like them.

Friend had a bad experience when attempting to help them develop a part (similar to the Magnaflow and Tein issues members of this site had).

[subzero05]

Originally Posted by jm1681

The 80 is a little more docile than the 44

Just for shits and giggles, this is what the 80 series sounds like on an old MR-S Spyder:

80 is ALOT more docile than those 44's or 2 chamber mustang ones for sure

[jm1681]

Originally Posted by subzero05

80 is ALOT more docile than those 44's or 2 chamber mustang ones for sure

I only have experience with the 40s, but the 80 from what I'm to understand is a pretty big step down in terms of ridiculous volume/noise.

I'm hopeful that we get video soon...

[Flat Black VW]

Throwing out my opinion on the subject,
I dont personally like or dislike flowmaster, Ive heard some good and some bad set ups from them.
A company like nameless on the other hand, who took time and tested systems over and over again running them on the dyno to compare different setups sounds much better to me. Also I know they are a small company compared to the likes of flowmaster, and with their solid reputation, I would trust that every one of their products comes out of their shop with personal care put into the work.

[jm1681]

Originally Posted by Flat Black VW

Throwing out my opinion on the subject,
I dont personally like or dislike flowmaster, Ive heard some good and some bad set ups from them.
A company like nameless on the other hand, who took time and tested systems over and over again running them on the dyno to compare different setups sounds much better to me. Also I know they are a small company compared to the likes of flowmaster, and with their solid reputation, I would trust that every one of their products comes out of their shop with personal care put into the work.

Absolutely fair enough

I will say this though...

Personally, I am very set in my opinions about things like exhaust systems. In those opinions, I can't help but believe there is a lot of unnecessary mystique surrounding these types of parts.

"OHHHH!!! I wonder if this exhaust makes more power than this one?!?!"

To me, pipes are pipes, and bends are bends. Really, how many ways ARE there to reinvent a bend in a pipe to measure an appreciable difference?

I've always picked whichever [stainless] exhaust was the cheapest, because I really can't justify spending extra money for a part that won't net me a difference I'll notice, or that is proportionate to the additional money I'd be spending for it.

Does that make sense at all?

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by jm1681

Absolutely fair enough

I will say this though...

Personally, I am very set in my opinions about things like exhaust systems. In those opinions, I can't help but believe there is a lot of unnecessary mystique surrounding these types of parts.

"OHHHH!!! I wonder if this exhaust makes more power than this one?!?!"

To me, pipes are pipes, and bends are bends. Really, how many ways ARE there to reinvent a bend in a pipe to measure an appreciable difference?

I've always picked whichever [stainless] exhaust was the cheapest, because I really can't justify spending extra money for a part that won't net me a difference I'll notice, or that is proportionate to the additional money I'd be spending for it.

Does that make sense at all?

Yea, but mufflers/resonators have a bit of design to them, so do cats and headers.

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by jm1681

Absolutely fair enough

I will say this though...

Personally, I am very set in my opinions about things like exhaust systems. In those opinions, I can't help but believe there is a lot of unnecessary mystique surrounding these types of parts.

"OHHHH!!! I wonder if this exhaust makes more power than this one?!?!"

To me, pipes are pipes, and bends are bends. Really, how many ways ARE there to reinvent a bend in a pipe to measure an appreciable difference?

I've always picked whichever [stainless] exhaust was the cheapest, because I really can't justify spending extra money for a part that won't net me a difference I'll notice, or that is proportionate to the additional money I'd be spending for it.

Does that make sense at all?

I can appreciate trying to save money but the cheap ones tend to drone. Nothing worse than an exhaust that makes you wish you weren't in the car. I experienced that with the Z06 I bought, sounded great on the test drive and then the second I started the drive home I realized the Borla was going to make me hate the 1400 mile drive home.

[jm1681]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Yea, but mufflers/resonators have a bit of design to them, so do cats and headers.

Also fair, but really, most if not all resonators are straight through, and turbo-style mufflers are turbo-style mufflers

Really, I'm not trying to be a douche here; there seriously just AREN'T that many ways to engineer an exhaust. I'm not saying it's not POSSIBLE to, just that it may not be worth the cost of said engineering

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

I can appreciate trying to save money but the cheap ones tend to drone...

I won't outright disagree, but it is a generalization

I've never spent more than $600 on an exhaust (For what is now 2 Eclipses and 2 VWs), and none of them droned (Okay, my current Golf DOES hit a harmonic at 2300rpm, but it only lasts for a couple dozen revs XD).

[ABQautoxer]

Sure they don't all drone and some of the expensive ones drone too from companies like Borla and Flowmaster as well. My point was to counter the pipes are just pipes comment - that just isn't true even if you take horsepower/torque differences out of the equation. Then you have the cheap welds and poor designs that interfere with parts of the suspension and body and make fun mystery noises...

[jm1681]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

...if you take horsepower/torque differences out of the equation. Then you have the cheap welds and poor designs that interfere with parts of the suspension and body and make fun mystery noises...

Absolute truth No argument whatsoever

I guess the point of this rant I've been on, is that if a company like Flowmaster builds an exhaust out of "X" diameter stainless pipe, using a muffler that seems to work well in other applications, and then sells the thing for less than everyone else out there, it only makes sense to at the very least give it a listen

[ABQautoxer]

Yes and I would gladly concede that a flowmaster should be welded well and fit fine so it will be a power (minor) and sound difference. I'll check them out but I'm obviously leaning the other way given what I've seen from Nameless so far from the Subaru side.

[jm1681]

And common ground is achieved

[JTM]

I look forward to hearing what flowmaster has to offer. I was going to put a 70 on my Jeep but decided to buy an FRS instead.