Oil cooolah

[SuperTom]

So is this no good for a few 20 min HPDE sessions a year? I cant believe our cars in stock form can't handle that at all???
I don't like the idea of adding weight to the front of the car with a full oil cooler setup. This if it gives you something wouldn't add much weight or complication

[Grady]

I had the OEM for a while. Yes it does work. Heavy track use probably not the best solution but for you average weekend track guy a couple times a year no issue. Only thing I would add is you can save a little money if you piece it together yourself. Around $160 for cooler and adapter. The rest you can get anywhere.

[Vesartis]

Originally Posted by SuperTom

So is this no good for a few 20 min HPDE sessions a year? I cant believe our cars in stock form can't handle that at all???
I don't like the idea of adding weight to the front of the car with a full oil cooler setup. This if it gives you something wouldn't add much weight or complication

It's debatable, this Forester oil cooler is enough for autocross and occasional track use as long as you are diligent about monitoring your temps and doing proper cool downs. The problem is that our cars will let you do everything stock, with no real signs that anything is wrong. (no warning light or big performance drop) But there are people out there losing their engines, so there is some risk.

I work for an automotive OEM and I asked our thermal engineers about the oil temps I was seeing. They didn't seem very concerned, considering the fact that it was synthetic oil and only reaching those temperatures for a short time on track. Given their feedback, I decided that for me, I was more worried about an oil cooler failure than an engine failure. So it all depends on how much you trust the oil to perform. The only way to know it isn't, is for something in the engine to fail, which is why the safer advice is to be over-cautious and put a proper oil cooler in.

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by Grady

I had the OEM for a while. Yes it does work. Heavy track use probably not the best solution but for you average weekend track guy a couple times a year no issue. Only thing I would add is you can save a little money if you piece it together yourself. Around $160 for cooler and adapter. The rest you can get anywhere.

Thanks that's what I think most of us are looking at this for. Obviously if you are all out track only machine you go for the real thing. Thanks again!

[SuperTom]

This is still concerning with mixed info. This car is supposed to be able to go around the track for fun that is how it is advertised at least. Just wondering why the factory didn't address this in the later model years with a stock oil cooler.

[churchx]

First and foremost this is cheap car of good handling/performance for it's price.

Advertisements .. you don't expect to find sexy women included in set, do you? Or becoming Driving God ((c) Richard Hammond) just by buying car?

As main trait of car is cheapness for reasonable (not best!) driving fun/performance you get, and >24/25 of buyers will never take it to any track, obviously there are many compromises/price cuts decisions on included equipment. Stop blaming toyobaru for not including lot of expensive stuff in stock car and making it of cayman price just because you got impression from advertisements, that they should. Despite whatever might be said in advertisements many even more upmarket sporty cars are little fit for track abuse with no change from stock anyway. And if anything, imho completely stock brakes are the biggest deficiency if taken to track. Then - alignment and tires. Oil cooler? Yes, temps will get high, yes, oil will degrade quicker and wear will be increased. But .. i track it already for third year. With no oil cooler.
I'm 100% sure that toyobaru never intended for these cars to be designed with purpose first and foremost for track. So just stop believing whatever "internet" and "TV" ads tell you to sell you cars. Just do smart thought out decisions of doing proper upgrades/changes/maintenance according to YOUR specific non-standard use .. without blaming manufacturer for imaginary faults in design/manufacturing/marketing decisions that dare not being 100% to what you subjectively think those should be.

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by churchx

First and foremost this is cheap car of good handling/performance for it's price.

Advertisements .. you don't expect to find sexy women included in set, do you? Or becoming Driving God ((c) Richard Hammond) just by buying car?

As main trait of car is cheapness for reasonable (not best!) driving fun/performance you get, and >24/25 of buyers will never take it to any track, obviously there are many compromises/price cuts decisions on included equipment. Stop blaming toyobaru for not including lot of expensive stuff in stock car and making it of cayman price just because you got impression from advertisements, that they should. Despite whatever might be said in advertisements many even more upmarket sporty cars are little fit for track abuse with no change from stock anyway. And if anything, imho completely stock brakes are the biggest deficiency if taken to track. Then - alignment and tires. Oil cooler? Yes, temps will get high, yes, oil will degrade quicker and wear will be increased. But .. i track it already for third year. With no oil cooler.
I'm 100% sure that toyobaru never intended for these cars to be designed with purpose first and foremost for track. So just stop believing whatever "internet" and "TV" ads tell you to sell you cars. Just do smart thought out decisions of doing proper upgrades/changes/maintenance according to YOUR specific non-standard use .. without blaming manufacturer for imaginary faults in design/manufacturing/marketing decisions that dare not being 100% to what you subjectively think those should be.

If I can't do this [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh9KdtSrPmE[/ame] for 10 mins without the engine boiling over and exploding then yes that is a problem.
But its good to hear it can be done without problems. Its just 2 sides to the story where some people are fine and others grenade the engine from oil overheating.

[86TOYO2k17]

Anyone know the throttle body coolant hose pin size?
I got this kit but I’m in the process of installing my sprintex 210 SC, so I need longer hoses.
From my understanding the TB side is 1/4”? So figured i could get adaptors from the 3/8” on the oil cooler side to 1/4” for the TB side for a better fitment. Any one confirm this? Or anyone use this with the sprintex sc kit?

[ZDan]

Myself and #1 competitor in COMSCC time trials do not run oil coolers in our BRZs. 10-15 track days per year, track days consisting of four ~15 minute sessions. My car runs 270°F - 275°F while tracking according to '17 factory gauge.

FWIW here's how Ford characterizes oil temperatures in '18 Mustang Factory Service Manual:
38-60° C (100-140° F) (low)
61-137° C (142-279° F) (normal)
138-146° C (279-295° F) (warm)
147-160° C (297-320° F) (hot)

[churchx]

SuperTom: is linked advertisement in any way binding legal contract about specific car technical specifications that must be in car? Try suing toyota then. But stock, even with PP package it's NOT track car. It wasn't designed purpose made track car. Just cheap GT coupe. And while toyobaru emphasize it's handling and markets by pulling some petrolhead strings in us, it still is, what it is - cheap car with practicality traded for better handling. NOT racecar. And if it had been designed/made as racecar: 1) it won't be street legal in many countries, 2) if you recall in my previous post - most DO NOT track their cars - so MAJORITY will complain about numerous flaws that making this car more racecar-ish/track-worthy-ish will bring. Steep price hike, no even basic comfort features like audio/sound insulation/AC, much more NVH from all parts, spine crushing suspension, ear-ripping brake squeel due race pads. Will toyobaru for sake of one track junkie want to alienate 50 "normal" car buyers? Take all ads with grain of salt not as official tech spec. There are race twins out there. They cost MUCH more and are unusable for DD. Check pricing and how are they set up in way of eg. TMG CS-V3/CS-R3/CS-Cup twins. They do have race brakes, bucket seats, your mentioned as "must have" oil cooler, even diff oil cooler, more track oriented suspension, cage, deletion of unneccessary comfort features. Will you consider getting it for €84K?

Want to abuse it more then it is designed to? Good. Upgrade most limiting parts for your, not standard, use, do required maintenance. Our cars are rather capable, so in most cases spendings are reasonable, not killing sum. But don't blame toyota for not race car being not race car. Even if because racecar

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by churchx

SuperTom: is linked advertisement in any way binding legal contract about specific car technical specifications that must be in car? Try suing toyota then. But stock, even with PP package it's NOT track car. It wasn't designed purpose made track car. Just cheap GT coupe. And while toyobaru emphasize it's handling and markets by pulling some petrolhead strings in us, it still is, what it is - cheap car with practicality traded for better handling. NOT racecar. And if it had been designed/made as racecar: 1) it won't be street legal in many countries, 2) if you recall in my previous post - most DO NOT track their cars - so MAJORITY will complain about numerous flaws that making this car more racecar-ish/track-worthy-ish will bring. Steep price hike, no even basic comfort features like audio/sound insulation/AC, much more NVH from all parts, spine crushing suspension, ear-ripping brake squeel due race pads. Will toyobaru for sake of one track junkie want to alienate 50 "normal" car buyers? Take all ads with grain of salt not as official tech spec. There are race twins out there. They cost MUCH more and are unusable for DD. Check pricing and how are they set up in way of eg. TMG CS-V3/CS-R3/CS-Cup twins. They do have race brakes, bucket seats, your mentioned as "must have" oil cooler, even diff oil cooler, more track oriented suspension, cage, deletion of unneccessary comfort features. Will you consider getting it for €84K?

Want to abuse it more then it is designed to? Good. Upgrade most limiting parts for your, not standard, use, do required maintenance. Our cars are rather capable, so in most cases spendings are reasonable, not killing sum. But don't blame toyota for not race car being not race car. Even if because racecar

Im not really upset about it just wanted to see you type all that. Merry Christmas!

[Ultramaroon]

I know a couple people that have had no ill effects from regularly beating the piss out of their stock engines with no oil cooler. I built up a custom system that is capable of going hard over in the other direction and keep it dialed back for DD use.


My stock engine has always passed the service manual's oil pressure test conditions but the pressure drops to disturbingly low levels above 200F. It must be normal but I feel better seeing the pressure gauge reach 75 PSI.

[Legend@wheels]

which one is the more recommended way to let the car cool down and decrease oil temp and increase oil pressure-leaving the car at idle or turn ignition off?
as i understand it :leave the car running maybe even put AC on.(for example 10 minutes rest so 5 car on 5off ?)

Originally Posted by SuperTom

So is this no good for a few 20 min HPDE sessions a year? I cant believe our cars in stock form can't handle that at all???
I don't like the idea of adding weight to the front of the car with a full oil cooler setup. This if it gives you something wouldn't add much weight or complication

its hard to say but yes they cant!
thats a shame tbh.
my clio rs running thru the circuit for 20minutes easily no issues at all!
and the b3 sti pretty much poopy like the brz :/ poor subaru built

Originally Posted by Grady

I had the OEM for a while. Yes it does work. Heavy track use probably not the best solution but for you average weekend track guy a couple times a year no issue. Only thing I would add is you can save a little money if you piece it together yourself. Around $160 for cooler and adapter. The rest you can get anywhere.

which cooler for 160$?
the oem one?

Originally Posted by churchx

First and foremost this is cheap car of good handling/performance for it's price.

Advertisements .. you don't expect to find sexy women included in set, do you? Or becoming Driving God ((c) Richard Hammond) just by buying car?

As main trait of car is cheapness for reasonable (not best!) driving fun/performance you get, and >24/25 of buyers will never take it to any track, obviously there are many compromises/price cuts decisions on included equipment. Stop blaming toyobaru for not including lot of expensive stuff in stock car and making it of cayman price just because you got impression from advertisements, that they should. Despite whatever might be said in advertisements many even more upmarket sporty cars are little fit for track abuse with no change from stock anyway. And if anything, imho completely stock brakes are the biggest deficiency if taken to track. Then - alignment and tires. Oil cooler? Yes, temps will get high, yes, oil will degrade quicker and wear will be increased. But .. i track it already for third year. With no oil cooler.
I'm 100% sure that toyobaru never intended for these cars to be designed with purpose first and foremost for track. So just stop believing whatever "internet" and "TV" ads tell you to sell you cars. Just do smart thought out decisions of doing proper upgrades/changes/maintenance according to YOUR specific non-standard use .. without blaming manufacturer for imaginary faults in design/manufacturing/marketing decisions that dare not being 100% to what you subjectively think those should be.

LOL shit i thought it is included ! bleh so many lies @ tv

Originally Posted by ZDan

Myself and #1 competitor in COMSCC time trials do not run oil coolers in our BRZs. 10-15 track days per year, track days consisting of four ~15 minute sessions. My car runs 270°F - 275°F while tracking according to '17 factory gauge.

FWIW here's how Ford characterizes oil temperatures in '18 Mustang Factory Service Manual:
38-60° C (100-140° F) (low)
61-137° C (142-279° F) (normal)
138-146° C (279-295° F) (warm)
147-160° C (297-320° F) (hot)

and how ours look like?interesting one

[Legend@wheels]

btw
540 get hot as fast as the 530 does?the only matter will be the oil pressure that the 540 will be higher when they both @ same oil temp,correct?