One injured in street racing crash on Marine Drive

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

That is where the whole society is going.

Racing, all forms of it, originated from human's urge to be competitive. All of this was started in an imperfect setting with some form of danger.

You could twist your ankle or bump into a friend and injure them while racing (running) on the playground.

Young people are stupid, old people are stupid. There are laws, we all break some of them time to time. Cause and effect, teach it. Enforce the laws we have.

I have seen lots and lots of people doing much worse. That does not make this right. but it is happening all over America every night. If it is one of the most dangerous activities going on in your community and you want the police to stop it public opinion can push law enforcement to stop it.

Here, where I live in rural Ohio, our deputies the first priority is to respond to heroin overdoes to protect the EMTs. At this point they is little else they have time for.

Sorta a turbocharged version of the couch, bowl and Netflix scenario.

Except no one ever died from smoking too much pot (ok maybe one person did one time).

Motor vehicle accidents are the second leading cause of accidental death in the US IIRC (first being overdoses). I'm fine with people being stupid as long as it's only risking their own well being. Once they start being reckless on public streets with +3000 pound metal sleds then my opinion starts to change. There are plenty of other ways to get an adrenaline rush without risking other peoples lives.

All these people should just buy motorcycles if they want to go fast. Then they are a lot more likely to just kill themselves instead of an innocent civilian driving/biking home from work.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Behold! Yet another thread spiralling into a 32-page argument from page 1.

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This is not what you said before.


How old are your kids? you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? Only the young and old are stupid? There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

What is your plan? Demand society protect your kids fromm all danger?

So silly.

Bad things happen to great people every day.

Some can be avoided, some cannot.

Sometimes others are responsible and face punishment.

Our society is becoming rules stacked on top of rules. No one wants to take personal responsibility for anything.

I jumped the fence and crossed the moat and the elephant stomped me.....must be the zoo's fault.

All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want your car satellite tracked and issued a ticket for every time you speed? it can be done.

A handful of people get backed over a year and suddenly we ALL must have backup camera's?

A few wake-and-bake folks forget their kid in the car and soon we will have mandated rear seat monitors.

You can say saving ONE life is worth it, but it's not.

[JustSomeGuy]

straight line racing is a poor mans excuse to feel superior for a few minutes

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

What is your plan? Demand society protect your kids fromm all danger?

So silly.

Bad things happen to great people every day.

Some can be avoided, some cannot.

Sometimes others are responsible and face punishment.

Our society is becoming rules stacked on top of rules. No one wants to take personal responsibility for anything.

I jumped the fence and crossed the moat and the elephant stomped me.....must be the zoo's fault.

All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want your car satellite tracked and issued a ticket for every time you speed? it can be done.

A handful of people get backed over a year and suddenly we ALL must have backup camera's?

A few wake-and-bake folks forget their kid in the car and soon we will have mandated rear seat monitors.

You can say saving ONE life is worth it, but it's not.

You have never lost a loved one to somebody's carless driving have you?
You did not answer my questions. They were not rhetorical.
The rest of your scenarios are not an equivalent.
Any safety features included do not save "one" life they can save thousands.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

straight line racing is a poor mans excuse to feel superior for a few minutes

Not true. An organized race, in a sanctioned strip is every bit as legit a sport as driving around a course. It just happens much, much faster.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

What is your plan? Demand society protect your kids fromm all danger?

So silly.

Bad things happen to great people every day.

Some can be avoided, some cannot.

Sometimes others are responsible and face punishment.

Our society is becoming rules stacked on top of rules. No one wants to take personal responsibility for anything.

I jumped the fence and crossed the moat and the elephant stomped me.....must be the zoo's fault.

All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want your car satellite tracked and issued a ticket for every time you speed? it can be done.

A handful of people get backed over a year and suddenly we ALL must have backup camera's?

A few wake-and-bake folks forget their kid in the car and soon we will have mandated rear seat monitors.

You can say saving ONE life is worth it, but it's not.

Not that it's worth much, but I think we could do a muuuuuuch better job when it comes to teaching new driver's how to drive, and making the testing process more difficult. I know in some parts of Europe they take the driver's license process very seriously and you actually have to dedicate part of yourself if you want to drive.

Here in America we almost hand them out like a fishing license. I'm pretty sure my driving test was only 10 minutes and I goofed off during all my driver's education classes. It's no wonder we have so many automotive accidents every year, it's because the majority of drivers never knew how to drive from the start.

Also, older people need to be screened more often to see if they are still able to drive safely. Older (+70) drivers usually scare me more than teenagers.

[JustSomeGuy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not true. An organized race, in a sanctioned strip is every bit as legit a sport as driving around a course. It just happens much, much faster.

sorry sir, yes you are right and i agree to a certain point, i guess i should have been more clear and stated the straight line racing the kids are doing (this video on public open roads). i am all for a drag strip race at the local track...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Not that it's worth much, but I think we could do a muuuuuuch better job when it comes to teaching new driver's how to drive, and making the testing process more difficult. I know in some parts of Europe they take the driver's license process very seriously and you actually have to dedicate part of yourself if you want to drive.

Here in America we almost hand them out like a fishing license. I'm pretty sure my driving test was only 10 minutes and I goofed off during all my driver's education classes. It's no wonder we have so many automotive accidents every year, it's because the majority of drivers never knew how to drive from the start.

Also, older people need to be screened more often to see if they are still able to drive safely. Older (+70) drivers usually scare me more than teenagers.

It isn't always lack of skill that gets the youngsters into accidents it is the activities they participate in while driving. The stats are all out there to prove it.


Yes they need to do a better job physically screening drivers after a certain age (I would say 70 is a bit low). Just last Sunday my 80 year old mother said she was thinking of buying another car. She can hardly walk and has to pick her leg up with her hands to get into the car. Not a hope in hell I will let that happen.

[arkanist]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

What is your plan? Demand society protect your kids fromm all danger?

So silly.

Bad things happen to great people every day.

Some can be avoided, some cannot.

Sometimes others are responsible and face punishment.

Our society is becoming rules stacked on top of rules. No one wants to take personal responsibility for anything.

I jumped the fence and crossed the moat and the elephant stomped me.....must be the zoo's fault.

All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want your car satellite tracked and issued a ticket for every time you speed? it can be done.

A handful of people get backed over a year and suddenly we ALL must have backup camera's?

A few wake-and-bake folks forget their kid in the car and soon we will have mandated rear seat monitors.

You can say saving ONE life is worth it, but it's not.

My plan is to not advocate street racing over smoking pot, it's pretty simple. But hey, keep straw manning everyone and thinking you are smart.

[arkanist]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

Here, where I live in rural Ohio, our deputies the first priority is to respond to heroin overdoes to protect the EMTs. At this point they is little else they have time for.

Sorta a turbocharged version of the couch, bowl and Netflix scenario.

Are you comparing pot to heroin? If so I am done wasting my time here, you are hopeless.

[SCQTT]

Arguing with a Canadian and someone from Seattle about how American society works is never come to a general consensus.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't always lack of skill that gets the youngsters into accidents it is the activities they participate in while driving. The stats are all out there to prove it.


Yes they need to do a better job physically screening drivers after a certain age (I would say 70 is a bit low). Just last Sunday my 80 year old mother said she was thinking of buying another car. She can hardly walk and has to pick her leg up with her hands to get into the car. Not a hope in hell I will let that happen.

I guess I meant that we should focus on giving new drivers the tools they might need in the future. Wouldn't it be cool if all drivers were taught how to correct a slide, or how to brake properly in poor driving conditions? What if we also showed people how to change a flat tire, check their oil, jumpstart a car, or replace a taillight bulb?

Instead we make new drivers memorize all sorts of stupid information they will never need to remember in the real world. I know a lot of this wouldn't prevent many teenage accidents, but I think we could do a much better job of preparing them.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by arkanist

Are you comparing pot to heroin? If so I am done wasting my time here, you are hopeless.

Yeah, I was wondering that too. Being that it is legal here. (OR & WA)


Two new studies published by the American Medical Association find that letting people legally access marijuana appears to reduce reliance on addictive opioids.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomange.../#35197565696f