Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[fitcious]

as much as I like denying the fact that it might be badged as a scion here in the states, it might be true strictly due to business.

Scion in the states was meant for young buyers...to evoke toyota quality using another channel and hope that when these Y and X gen buyers grows older, they will be loyal to toyota or lexus brand.

Another thing I see is because Scion is a no haggle, no negotiating policy when buying cars...so to offset the cost of production (although it is shared with subaru) and maximize revenue, toyota will badge it as scion to reep in the greens.

Although on the front end they say its meant for "car enthusiasts" they don't really care if it is indeed that group of people buying the FT86 or not...nor do they care if they are female or male...as long as the money comes in. i do admit that the idea, platform and engine layout is more for the gearheads and its just another channel for toyota to reep benefits with TRD and work with other modding companies. but if normal ppl buy the car to buy groceries with it then so be it, toyota doesn't care...reap in the money and maximize channels for revenue for the vehicle

sorry...kinda went on a rant...no flaming please. just my thoughts.

[WhiskeyJack]

Maybe a petition begging Toyota to badge this thing properly is in order.

[Mr.Jay]

I'm hoping this means

Scion - 200HP NA
Toyota - 250HP Turbo

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Riden86

How about badge this car as Scion, Toyota, Subaru, Lexus, Yamaha, Daihatsu and Hino?
Every one should happy with their favorite brand name.

No.

although don't expect a production version – this will be yet another concept

^^^ This.
Not to completely hate on scion but.. I'd like my car to be a Toyota. Ya'know like.. back in the days when scion was never a brand name.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fitcious

as much as I like denying the fact that it might be badged as a scion here in the states, it might be true strictly due to business.

Scion in the states was meant for young buyers...to evoke toyota quality using another channel and hope that when these Y and X gen buyers grows older, they will be loyal to toyota or lexus brand.

Another thing I see is because Scion is a no haggle, no negotiating policy when buying cars...so to offset the cost of production (although it is shared with subaru) and maximize revenue, toyota will badge it as scion to reep in the greens.

Although on the front end they say its meant for "car enthusiasts" they don't really care if it is indeed that group of people buying the FT86 or not...nor do they care if they are female or male...as long as the money comes in. i do admit that the idea, platform and engine layout is more for the gearheads and its just another channel for toyota to reep benefits with TRD and work with other modding companies. but if normal ppl buy the car to buy groceries with it then so be it, toyota doesn't care...reap in the money and maximize channels for revenue for the vehicle

sorry...kinda went on a rant...no flaming please. just my thoughts.

Business of what? Cannibalizing their own tC sales and alienating mature Toyota fans?

[fitcious]

i am not sure if they will cannibalize the tC's sales...but i do think Toyota wants to expand it's scion line up. IMHO, I think Toyota will differentiate the FT86 from the tC so greatly that it will be comparing apples to oranges. and this might sound immature to say, but I think it might be differentiated like how the Celica and Supras were when they were together...but not to that extreme. also, the speculated price will probably be 5-6k more than a tC.

well, we have 1.5 months before NYAS...i am crossing my fingers AND toes that it will remain a toyota...but in all honestly, if the performance is there, interior is good, styling remains fairly the same, price is fair...i don't see why would people not buy it.

[dalli]

They better not make it look boxy.....

ToyotBLAH: NOW HERE IT IS...... SCEON FNOOB-87 WITH A BOXER ENGINE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A BOX!!!!!!

You article writing fools better not quote me

dont flame me!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fitcious

i am not sure if they will cannibalize the tC's sales...but i do think Toyota wants to expand it's scion line up. IMHO, I think Toyota will differentiate the FT86 from the tC so greatly that it will be comparing apples to oranges. and this might sound immature to say, but I think it might be differentiated like how the Celica and Supras were when they were together...but not to that extreme. also, the speculated price will probably be 5-6k more than a tC.

well, we have 1.5 months before NYAS...i am crossing my fingers AND toes that it will remain a toyota...but in all honestly, if the performance is there, interior is good, styling remains fairly the same, price is fair...i don't see why would people not buy it.

Mk4 Supra Turbo had 2 extra cylinders, an extra turbo and 120 hp more than the top of the line turbocharged Alltrac Celica of the same era.

With the Scion scenario we are talking maybe a 20 hp difference, probably less torque (will feel less powerful to clueless test-drivers), probably a smaller engine, being sold for more money by a company that caters to performance noobs. How's that going to fly for sales?

Edit: 1000! Probably of which 700+ are similar anti-Scion rants...

[Zaku]

... we could all just wait for the Subie Im sure that wont be badge SCION ;D

[fitcious]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Mk4 Supra Turbo had 2 extra cylinders, an extra turbo and 120 hp more than the top of the line turbocharged Alltrac Celica of the same era.

With the Scion scenario we are talking maybe a 20 hp difference, probably less torque (will feel less powerful to clueless test-drivers), probably a smaller engine, being sold for more money by a company that caters to performance noobs. How's that going to fly for sales?

Edit: 1000! Probably of which 700+ are similar anti-Scion rants...

great point..as i mentioned, i admit my comment was immature and very lacking. and i dont think sales are gonna go through if its a scion. and i do not like scions very much and wishes that this car is a toyota. i've sat in a tC and i didn't like it very much...even the design seems bland to me.

someone should go to Japan corp and riot to have the ft86 here to be 100% toyota and not scion.

[Franisco]

Not that I want a Scion, but this may help keep the price down for people like OldSkool, that want a cheap RWD NA.
For me, its still too early to tell anything. I'll wait for the final models and specs to roll out before I make my final call.

[xantonin]

Let me ask everyone here...

Would you rather a Scion FT-86 that lives up to it's hype and name and performs well?

Or a Toyota FT-86 that is a failure, maybe over priced, and underpowered?

(Just curious, if it was me I'd go for the Scion. Maybe the brand would get a new name)

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Let me ask everyone here...

Would you rather a Scion FT-86 that lives up to it's hype and name and performs well?

Or a Toyota FT-86 that is a failure, maybe over priced, and underpowered?

(Just curious, if it was me I'd go for the Scion. Maybe the brand would get a new name)

That's a ridiculous comparison.

[PHATsuby]

Over on NASIOC, there was a person who claimed to be a friend of a Scion tech and that they were getting trained on the FT-86 at that time and that it would be coming as a Scion. Again this is now third hand information so take it as you will but it seemed like a credible statement being made and I assume techs would find out first.

Ben