SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[coneracer30]

ORPCA 03 29 15 Run6:

Fastest run from PCA event today.

[markw]

Originally Posted by Cueman

You wouldn't be legal otherwise.

Got the parts on my car yesterday. It's a nice kit that comes with like 140 replacement nuts and bolts as well... because Toyota techs can't take stuff apart without breaking it??

My Hotchkis bar also showed up cross border from FT86speedfactory in only 48hrs!

Do the bumpstops come with that part/ppo number? That'd be the only way the bumpstops would be legal. I would suspect that they do.

[markw]

Originally Posted by renfield90

Thank you

Neither of us were protested. I did inform the third place guy about the TRD parts early in the weekend, he did not press for more info when I told him the docs showed they were port options and legal. This was a mostly casual CS crowd I felt so maybe they just didn't care.

I was on the limiter in a few spots so fresh tires would've probably meant a decision on short shifting to third somewhere. I'm not sure I could beat that 8 on *this* course.

Full review tomorrow but short review: go buy these parts.

Now here's a question that is bugging me. I've got the car setup with stock springs, crash bolts and the Perrin bar, it feels great, handle great. Did you go with both swaybars and the springs, or are you playing with bars? The way I look at the rules, the TRD bars are considered stock, so you could run a combination of either original stock bars and a different bar, or either TRD bars and a different bar. What was your final setup for the weekend and how did it feel? I'm thinking these parts are not going to make the car a huge overdog in the class.

Oh, Adrien and that 8 are FAST... He took 2nd last weekend at the national tour, and consistently wins at calclub.

Mark

[markw]

Just found this thread. Apparently the springs were only available starting around July of 2013. My car is a 2014 with a mfg date of August 2013, this could be why Doug said only 2014 and 2015 cars were legal for them, as by the time you could "build your scion" on the website they were making the 2014 cars.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41348

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by Cueman

You wouldn't be legal otherwise.

Got the parts on my car yesterday. It's a nice kit that comes with like 140 replacement nuts and bolts as well... because Toyota techs can't take stuff apart without breaking it??

My Hotchkis bar also showed up cross border from FT86speedfactory in only 48hrs!

Haha everyone's gonna start copying me on the Hotchkis bar, I've been running that for two years now! All kidding aside I think this will be the hot setup.

A lot of the nuts are locking nuts, look closely at the top of the threads. Once you've removed it, it won't "lock" the same way if you reinstall it and could back itself out. I ignored that on more than half my nuts because I didn't want to go dig through the manual to find out exactly which part number I needed.

Also, you are correct - you must run the supplied bump stops with the springs (it is all under the same umbrella part number). Not that you'd want to keep the longer OEM bumpstops - you should never design your setup to ride the bumpstops unless you really know what you're doing and can replace the bumpstops with ones that have the exact stiffness you need.

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by markw

Now here's a question that is bugging me. I've got the car setup with stock springs, crash bolts and the Perrin bar, it feels great, handle great. Did you go with both swaybars and the springs, or are you playing with bars? The way I look at the rules, the TRD bars are considered stock, so you could run a combination of either original stock bars and a different bar, or either TRD bars and a different bar. What was your final setup for the weekend and how did it feel? I'm thinking these parts are not going to make the car a huge overdog in the class.

Oh, Adrien and that 8 are FAST... He took 2nd last weekend at the national tour, and consistently wins at calclub.

Mark

I did not swap around to different parts during the weekend - the practice course only ran for 2 hours and we missed it, so we were testing in production. We had the Hotchkis front on full stiff and the TRD rear, along with the TRD springs. On my own time I may try go back to the OEM bar but once we got air pressures sorted out to make up for my OEM shocks I was pretty happy with the car.

As far as sway bars, you can legally run any combination that includes at least one OEM or TRD bar. There's probably way too many iterations to test thoroughly and it's going to depend largely on driver preference.

As far as Adrian, he is very fast - all due credit to him for a deserving win. Give me fresh tires and a different course where the 8's gearing advantage isn't in play, I think I could win. These "new" parts don't make us into BS contenders and don't necessarily solve our shortcomings against the 8, but it does make it easier to tune the car and put up a good fight.

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by markw

Just found this thread. Apparently the springs were only available starting around July of 2013. My car is a 2014 with a mfg date of August 2013, this could be why Doug said only 2014 and 2015 cars were legal for them, as by the time you could "build your scion" on the website they were making the 2014 cars.

I've been told Doug's opinion is more advisory, and not necessarily official (i.e. you could not use an email from him as a protest defense). Furthermore, cars manufactured in June 2013 (MY 2013) would've arrived at port in July 2013, wouldn't you agree? With the parts available they could've been installed.

All that has to be proved is that you could go to a dealer and have them order the option. It doesn't have to be on the nifty Scion website. The internal Scion site lists them as PPO for 2013. Last but not least, Steve Marston is an extremely credible source for the Toyota letter explaining the parts' availability.

[renfield90]

If you drive a BRZ and aren't happy, please go here to send a letter to the SEB: http://www.crbscca.com/

Intelligent proposals that aim to keep both cars competitive will receive my unwavering support. Bonus points if you find a way to deal with future trunk kits/option packages/sudden revelations of port installed options.

[7thgear]

if these springs stick, then with the new pax spread, (only 0.02 difference) a BRZ move to DS could potentially even things out nicely. But I'm Canadian so I can't write to the SEB

[MPot]

Originally Posted by renfield90

All that has to be proved is that you could go to a dealer and have them order the option. It doesn't have to be on the nifty Scion website. The internal Scion site lists them as PPO for 2013. Last but not least, Steve Marston is an extremely credible source for the Toyota letter explaining the parts' availability.

Thanks for doing the leg work on this. I think you did quite well at the Pro for stock shocks and last year's tires.
I did not see a letter from Steve Marston posted, just a copy of an unsigned one from Steve Reynolds that did not have a Toyota/Scion letterhead. Is a copy of the Marston letter available? And, can we assume that you have sent a copy of the letter and the information from the internal Scion site to the SEB?
Thanks again,
Mike

[SeanRTR]

renfield90
I assume you were on the old Rivals, and not the Rival S? Did anyone at this event have the new Rival-S? I'm surprised you put in all the work to get the springs/bars changed but stayed with worn out tires.....although I thought my Rivals were still quite fast even at the wear bars. You changed the springs, but stuck with the OEM shocks? How did the car feel in the transitions with the new springs?

[Kido1986]

I have a Hotchkis bar I don't need. It has about 3 months of use and 2 years of storage on it.

Prefer to do something local but if someone wants to cover S/H (including findind a box to repackage it in lol), we can work something out

[Cueman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

if these springs stick, then with the new pax spread, (only 0.02 difference) a BRZ move to DS could potentially even things out nicely. But I'm Canadian so I can't write to the SEB

D would make for some pretty interesting course dependencies... but it'd be a lot of fun to run against WRX's.

[TrqlessWonder]

Originally Posted by SeanRTR

renfield90
. . .I'm surprised you put in all the work to get the springs/bars changed but stayed with worn out tires. . . You changed the springs, but stuck with the OEM shocks? How did the car feel in the transitions with the new springs?

This caught my eye a little. Strong performance for such light prep.