SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[tahdizzle]

Doesn't really matter to STX anyway. Just saying you guys are taking this waaaay to liberally.

[TrqlessWonder]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

All you have to do is show me a FR-S that came with the TRD springs/sways as a Port Installed Option.

If you cannot show me a FR-S that came with TRD springs/sways as a Port Installed Option. Through process of elimination, the RS 1.0 is the only other FR-S that could possibly have TRD Sways/springs installed as a Port Installed Option.

Flawed logic. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. No one actually ordering it that way and it not being available are separate things.

The letter (which might be a ruse for all we know) states, in an official publication, with a searchable document number, on letterhead, from a company official, that it was available, starting in 2013, in three ways:

A) ordered that way (if you wanted to wait somewhere between four and who-knows-how-many weeks for it);
B) as dealer-installed (because why make an order or hope for allocation when you can move a car already on the lot for about 2 hours of tech labor, at the same price as factory MSRP); or
C) thanks to individual PPO codes, any combination of the two.

As long as scenario "A" was possible (whether anybody knew about it or not), B and C fly.

Now, I don't think people are necessarily reading it liberally. It's English, primarily technical language, and if you follow the commas, that's what it says. What early adopters might be guilty of is making the option conversions prior to the SEB making an official ruling. That represents some amount of risk, and that's a choice for them to make. They're not wrong to try it. Documentation (whether you believe it or not) that supports their claim does in fact exist. On the flip side, others wouldn't be wrong to protest it if they wanted to (by calling BS).

As said before, if any of you see it differently, write a letter with your opinions and rationales behind them. The SEB doesn't care where the letter comes from, so long as it's from a paid-up member. I'm inclined to wait for it to be addressed in a Fastrack/Tech Bulletin, but I'm also not time-crunched for a national event in two days. I'll be damned if I'm knuckle-busting outdoors while snow is on the ground and snow tires are still on the car, especially since I think there's at least a chance the SEB could rule unfavorably.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

no argument is complete without the obligatory "you're all on crack, I'm da best, ohh look a goat" dude chiming in to set everyone in their place.

[bslate3]

So if the FRS gets all these parts from the RS, then can my BRZ get the front lip from the Series. Blue?

I just like the way it looks. If I can't beat the TRD FRS's, I can at least look cool! Lol

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by bslate3

So if the FRS gets all these parts from the RS, then can my BRZ get the front lip from the Series. Blue?

I just like the way it looks. If I can't beat the TRD FRS's, I can at least look cool! Lol

was the lip a port installed option?

[7thgear]

Question!


Under the PIO rules, does this mean we're dealing only with the US-bound cars? As a Canadian, is this all irrelevant? (Even though we're piggybacking on the SCCA rules)

[Cueman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

Question!


Under the PIO rules, does this mean we're dealing only with the US-bound cars? As a Canadian, is this all irrelevant? (Even though we're piggybacking on the SCCA rules)

The same codes exist. My sales guy was not helpful at all, but the parts department at my dealership was, and confirmed the PPO codes when I ordered my parts.

I asked if codes for the short shifter and TRD wheels also existed. He couldn't find them while I had patience to wait, but said he'd look more and call me if he found them.

[renfield90]

I've seen the Scion ASG. They are PPO for all model years.

If/when I get protested this weekend, they will be able to see unequivocally that the parts on my car were available as port installed options.

You guys can argue all you like, what ultimately matters is "will it pass a protest committee?" The epic rules stickler in my region thinks we're good to go. You guys can feel free to argue all you want, I will be out pushing the limit.

I feel for the BRZ guys, I really do. I'm a competitor and I'm installing the parts because I'm here to win. Hopefully the SEB can find a solution for next year that keeps both cars competitive, and when that time comes I will be writing my letter in support.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by renfield90

I'm a competitor and I'm installing the parts because I'm here to win.

If you ain't first, yer last!

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

Hope those springs are good for a 2.5% pickup!

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...%20Results.pdf

I think the thread was missing some good ole fashioned trash talk.

My redlight Saturday AM was a 0.7s faster run (uphill start, rolled out of the lights). Tires quit on me thereafter since I drove all 1000 miles to the event on them - not exactly sure what happened, but they just never hooked up again.

Also, I was the first place twin at the pro finale. Where were you?

(Trash talk? I'm game.)

[Cueman]

Originally Posted by Cueman

I asked if codes for the short shifter and TRD wheels also existed. He couldn't find them while I had patience to wait, but said he'd look more and call me if he found them.

No codes for shifter or wheels according to my guy, meaning they are installed exclusively by the dealer. If someone has info to the contrary I'd love to see it.

In addition to the springs (S2) and bars (HR) he found codes...
TRD exhuast - PPO 37
TRD Air Filter - PPO 3F (not the full box)
TRD Rear Spoiler - PPO R7

[markw]

Cat back is already legal, did he find codes for the wheels? 18x7.5 ppo would allow us to run 17x7.5

[chucky12012]

Originally Posted by renfield90

My redlight Saturday AM was a 0.7s faster run (uphill start, rolled out of the lights). Tires quit on me thereafter since I drove all 1000 miles to the event on them - not exactly sure what happened, but they just never hooked up again.

Also, I was the first place twin at the pro finale. Where were you?

(Trash talk? I'm game.)

I only ran one pro last year, couldn't do the finale (life with a small child). I'm planning to this year, although nature is trying to make life more difficult with Blytheville originally snowed out. Maybe we'll see you at Mineral Wells again this year, don't want everyone to say the fastest twin at the pros was only because of the TRD parts after all.

[ksconekiller]

Has anyone contacted Doug Gill at the national office to get his input of the legality of these parts? It's just a quick email, and it would go a long way toward clarifying this whole thing, not to mention saving people time and money if it is ruled illegal for CS.