Forced Induction or upgrade car?

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If I get one I will just go V6 (gasp, the horror. can't wait for the responses to that one) since it has plenty for my needs.

Drove a 2015 v6 convertible last fall, ~300 hp in a v6 is nothing to sneeze at, especially as it was matching the HP of the GT from just a few years ago.

And I'll see your v6 and raise you an Ecoboost I4 Mustang. At over 250 hp in that relatively light body, I bet you see some great numbers out of that.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Umm the geometry. The weight in this car is very well placed. I mean a supercharger might not change much but an LS1 or something would get nose heavy no?

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I figure the difference between a v6 and v8 can't be more than say... 40lbs? Might look it up later. In a 3500lb car, 40lbs isn't much. The increased power should more than make up for it. Shit you could just relocate your battery to the trunk to balance it

I looked for a weight on the LGX(v6) and didn't cone up with anything right away. Regardless I would expect GM would have made an effort to balance the v8 in that chassis

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Jaden

My auto with less than $500 in mods on E85 is slightly sub 6 seconds 0-60...

Jaden

Put a 4.88 in it and it'll do a 5 second 0-60, thats $1600, and you'll be shifting much faster

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I feel they add to the purpose. My wing doesn't hinder my ability to do anything but will improve traction on the track. Isn't the FRS supposed to be a cheap race car anyways?

That is YOUR purpose. My purpose is different and none of those things add to it for how I use it. The FRS is supposed to be a 2+2 coupe and that is exactly what it is. If some wish to use it as a "cheap racecar", others as a DD grocery getter and others as a hard parked piece of artwork they are all using it for what is the purpose for them.


The same applies to V6 vs V8. There is no one set purpose and what is appropriate is dependent upon what the car is used for. It would be total stupidity for me to get the top line V8 monster to commute for 14 hours a week in as much as it would be asinine for the guy wanting to hit the drag strip to buy the V6 and try to build it up.

[CatScan]

Is keeping your car out of a 1-k wide "torque dip" really that hard? Around town and in traffic sub-3k is good enough. Driving for fun is always above 4k. Not being stupid, I can anticipate where I need to be in the rev range based on the current conditions or road I'm on.

It's really not that hard. If it is for you, surprise, it is not the car. Seems odd to me that the people having the most trouble with this are the "experts" tooling around in an MT car making fun of AT drivers who don't seem to have a problem managing the engine.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That depends completely on your individual definition of "practical" and whether or not you were careful enough to purchase the right car for your mission.

My FR-S is primarily a commuter and it serves that function very well for me. It gets great gas mileage (almost twice what my last car got), it's comfortable (a subjective opinion), and it's fun to drive. It was also relatively inexpensive new (most other cars I considered were 25% to 100% more expensive).

It also serves just fine as a 2 person vacation vehicle. You can easily pack up for a week's vacation and hit the road in it. MomHawk and I have done that multiple times in my almost 4 years of ownership.

Now, 10 years ago when I had 3 sons at home, and my primary vehicle was also the sports team/family transport, no the 86 would not have been practical.

My FRS is plenty practical for me. It gets me around (with a smile on face), It fits my two kids in it no problem, and I can hardly ever park it without looking back at it.

Jaden

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Is keeping your car out of a 1-k wide "torque dip" really that hard? Around town and in traffic sub-3k is good enough. Driving for fun is always above 4k. Not being stupid, I can anticipate where I need to be in the rev range based on the current conditions or road I'm on.

It's really not that hard. If it is for you, surprise, it is not the car. Seems odd to me that the people having the most trouble with this are the "experts" tooling around in an MT car making fun of AT drivers who don't seem to have a problem managing the engine.

Hey Cat. Can we let the AT vs MT thing go? It really does not add anything to the debate at this point.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hey Cat. Can we let the AT vs MT thing go? It really does not add anything to the debate at this point.

I think it does based on who's complaining about what, but sure.

I'll just sum up by saying "It ain't the car, it's the driver".

[PandaSPUR]

Why cant we all just agree we want different things? I find the people who argue that the car has more than enough power, just as annoying as the ones who feel like the car needs more power.

Same with AT vs MT. Why do people care so much? I have people who tell me getting MT was stupid because AT is just as fun, AT is better in traffic, or MT is just old and deprecated.

I want a supercharger and I like my MT.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I figure the difference between a v6 and v8 can't be more than say... 40lbs? Might look it up later. In a 3500lb car, 40lbs isn't much. The increased power should more than make up for it. Shit you could just relocate your battery to the trunk to balance it

I looked for a weight on the LGX(v6) and didn't cone up with anything right away. Regardless I would expect GM would have made an effort to balance the v8 in that chassis

3500? These cars are 2700lbs I thought?

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[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

3500? These cars are 2700lbs I thought?

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The camaro? Gotta be heavier than that. The frs is 2700lbs

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

3500? These cars are 2700lbs I thought?

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He's talking about the Camaro and you're thinking bout our twins.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I think it does based on who's complaining about what, but sure.

I'll just sum up by saying "It ain't the car, it's the driver".

Without a doubt part of it is the drivers but I don't think it is even as simple as that. Part of it is also current car culture and the bias it creates. If something isn't 300+hp stock then it is considered "slow" and "underpowered" regardless of the true abilities of the car. We see new guys that have never driven one of these cars before come on here and say "I am thinking that I want one, am planning my mods and feel that 350hp should be just about right". They have no idea what the car can do but "know" that it needs more HP.


The other thing that I see here a lot is a pile of The Grass is Always Greener syndrome (a real thing I did not make it up). Guys get a car and enjoy it but become bored with what it does well. Now all of a sudden the car they loved is no longer any good and to them never was. This happens all the time and it usually means that somebody will jump from car to car chasing that elusive perfect vehicle. They rarely find it since as soon as they become bored with the next one it becomes junk and they want one of those XXXs because they are "better". Sometimes the wanting, researching and planning for a different car is the rush they are actually seeking so once they get it the excitement wears off and it disappoints them. It was not the owning of the car that was exciting it was the journey to get it.


As for those that ran out and bought one without researching and then whine that they were lied to or the car was overhyped they are just fools that wanted on the bandwagon until they realized the band wasn't playing their favorite songs even though the playlist was right in front of them!

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

The camaro? Gotta be heavier than that. The frs is 2700lbs

Oh I was talking about putting an LS1 in the BRZ haha

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