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02-14-2020, 03:50 PM | #2031 | |
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I mean, you also have the EV-1, which I believe nobody actually bought. Just paid to use for a little while before GM decided nobody should have one.
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You mean to say, someone at GM had a conscious
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Not really. With the penalties they would have had to pay to all of the parts suppliers for cancelling their orders it was just cheaper to build and scrap them than it was not build them. The industry is weird that way.
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They were a lease only vehicle though so they don't count. The whole car was more an experiment than an actual long term proposition.
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So, just like Porsche with the 911 and Cayman, Toyota won't want to risk losing a Supra sale to an 86 if buyers see them as too close. Toyota is a completely financially driven company, and will always do whatever makes them the most money. As an aside, way back in 1990 I interviewed for a job in new product planning with Toyota (in California). Everyone I met with proudly pointed out to me that they were not car enthusiasts, they were strictly business people. They told me about the decision-making process, how there was a 'right way', a 'wrong way', and the 'Toyota way' of doing things, and everyone there must always do things the Toyota way, which meant strictly according to objective financial metrics. I didn't get the job. The reason they gave me was they were concerned that I was 'too much of a gear head', and that I would let passion and emotion get in the way of making strictly financially-based decisions the Toyota way. Imagine that, a car company not wanting to hire someone because they liked cars too much. This approach clearly works for Toyota, as they are the largest and arguably most successful car company in the world. But it doesn't always result in the kind of cars enthusiasts want. |
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I doubt that either of these models even make the 1% mark. They are not intended to be profit makers. Never were. Their value is in the attention they bring to the brand.
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Edit: That was easy https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...parking-garage
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Ya it said 40 in that one. Bet there are at least a couple more hidden away. It also said that the batteries and motors had been stripped out of all of them so not sure what value they even had for the schools.
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i vaguely recall that as well. but even with the batteries and motors, almost none of the tech is applicable in any scenario. the only way it makes sense is that it was done for a tax write-off.
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1-How is the 86 a 'standalone' car and the Supra isn't? Makes no sense at all. based on your flawed logic, neither car is a standalone car if anything. 2-Neither the 86 or Supra would exist unless Toyota decided they wanted to develop and produce either. Subaru hated the idea of the 86 and fought it tooth and nail. BMW killed the Z4 and had no plans to bring it back cuz it was a money loser. BMW approached Toyota about the idea of a joint project, not the other way around, and Toyota decided what marque they wanted to build. Let's see, BMW has the best history of producing inline-6s, I wonder what we should make?? Duh... 3-Toyota developed the idea of a lighter weight tail happy RWD coupe with low CoG for the 86, not Subaru. Toyota once again came up with a boosted I-6 that would overachieve in straight lines for the money and also on the track with a super stiff chassis equal to the LFA and hardpoints dictated by their golden handling ratio. That's Toyota development, not BMW. Their M cars don't follow any of these philosophies. Even BMW admitted they don't make 'sports cars'. They make pedestrian looking GT coupes and sedans tweaked to go faster than others that do the same thing. 4-Neither the Z4 or Supra are 'made' by BMW. They are made in Austria by Magna. As for BMW logo'd parts, well, do you want to be able to afford a Supra or don't you? Really simple math. I find it ironic the same people who complain about the more upscale BMW'ish interior are more usually the same people who would complain about a 'cheaper' feeling Toyota interior and dump all over it. No win scenario. Gee, which would you rather have in a $50k sportscar that you would want to drive across the country? Haters gonna hate and Toyota should really ignore them. 5-So you say you want a pure Japanese Supra? The Supra represents the pinnacle or 'flagship' of the Toyota brand? Go buy an LC, LFA or the Le Mans GR for 3x's to 20x's the price of a basic Supra and put a 'Supra' sticker on it. Guess what. Not one of the so called Supra 'purists' has the money or intent of doing just that. It's all hot-air. So all the haters feel free to drop a deposit on a real Toyota 'flagship' and refi your house, if you even own one, and leave the rest of us that appreciate what Toyota is trying to make accessible to the car enthusiast community. Or just buy one of those unicorn '$60k' C8 corvettes that will actually cost you $80k-$85k and go be happy so the rest of us can stop hearing all the repetitive nonsense. Or just wait 5-7 years so you can have your 'standalone' purist Supra with a Mazda inline-6 instead. The one that will prob have an RX-9 badge on it. Go start that thread and get a head start on all the hate! If you think no Supra at all is better than having this Supra, we have nothing to say to each other. That's just absurd. You should prob take down that Fast and Furious poster and disassemble your shrine to Paul Walker and move on from high school. |
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