Today I Learned...

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

People still use IE and AOL

Also
YIL (Yesterday I Learned)
Mail and passwords of the Russian Ministry of Defense have just been hacked.
Fat list was posted to Reddit.
They have since been taken down.

YIL that the Ukrainian national flower is the sunflower.

[Robotaz]

Originally Posted by Spuds

YIL that the Ukrainian national flower is the sunflower.

Haha, yes the woman told the soldiers she’d plant seeds to grow where they fall for them to fertilize. Pretty funny.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Robotaz

Haha, yes the woman told the soldiers she’d plant seeds to grow where they fall for them to fertilize. Pretty funny.

I wouldn't describe it as funny. More of a lesson in badassery.

[x808drifter]

TIL 8'(

[cjd]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

TIL people still use Firefox

What else would you use? Chrome? Edge? Safari? Opera? All reasonable I suppose. Safari is Apple only of course, and... meh. The rest is basically Chrome with a whole bunch of additional baggage, especially Edge. MS back to their old BS.



Unlike the other examples noted (AOL, etc.) Firefox is still a modern browser. I'm particularly fond of containerized browsing, esp. for Facebook shit. And it has debugging features no other browser has. At this point every one of the sites I've recently found which "doesn't work in Firefox" is actually broken because of security settings blocking third party cross site tracking. None of which is actually functionally important.


From where I sit I don't understand why people use Chrome & family (opera, edge...)


YMMV

[Robotaz]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I wouldn't describe it as funny. More of a lesson in badassery.

OK.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by cjd

From where I sit I don't understand why people use Chrome & family (opera, edge...) YMMV

I've been using browsers since there were browsers, and honestly, I have never been able to find a reason to use one over the other. Maybe my Internet habits aren't sophisticated enough to tell the difference.

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by cjd

What else would you use? Chrome? Edge? Safari? Opera? All reasonable I suppose. Safari is Apple only of course, and... meh. The rest is basically Chrome with a whole bunch of additional baggage, especially Edge. MS back to their old BS.



Unlike the other examples noted (AOL, etc.) Firefox is still a modern browser. I'm particularly fond of containerized browsing, esp. for Facebook shit. And it has debugging features no other browser has. At this point every one of the sites I've recently found which "doesn't work in Firefox" is actually broken because of security settings blocking third party cross site tracking. None of which is actually functionally important.


From where I sit I don't understand why people use Chrome & family (opera, edge...)


YMMV

I wrote my own.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

I wrote my own.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I've been using browsers since there were browsers, and honestly, I have never been able to find a reason to use one over the other. Maybe my Internet habits aren't sophisticated enough to tell the difference.

That's how it should be. And (mostly) that's how it works now without too much effort, but for so very many years it was nightmarish to support all the browsers; The early years were just a mess - Mosaic died, IE showed up and got weird. Lynx still had users. Netscape made a name for itself, then the battle began. IE in particular was horrible over the years, no two versions working the same, but Netscape really made some horrible steps after v4. Firefox sorta rose out of the ashes of Netscape and was the first to put serious effort into being 100% standards compliant. They brought us all the amazing in-browser debugging tools the industry takes for granted (and for so many young developers, falsely attribute to Chrome...) and plugins/extensions.
At the moment there is no functional reason for one browser over another if browsing is your focus. The next battle line is privacy - in so many places, but very much in the browser. Facebook (...Meta) knows everything about people who don't use Facebook, because their trackers are everywhere. Also about maintaining a choice so there can be even the tiniest bit of leverage against things getting really ugly.

[Sapphireho]

Those who can remember the early years, there were some really great programs, for example Lotus 123, WordPerfect, and a few browsers. Then Microsoft made inferior copies of these programs, and offered them for free with their operating system, putting the competition out of business.

Good times...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Those who can remember the early years, there were some really great programs, for example Lotus 123, WordPerfect, and a few browsers. Then Microsoft made inferior copies of these programs, and offered them for free with their operating system, putting the competition out of business.

Good times...

Microsoft never offered any of the Office products for free, at least not at the corporate level. Companies chose to buy them once MS bundled them together and made them a good deal.

Lotus screwed up by trying to make one product that was all things to all office workers (Symphony) and WordPerfect waited way too long to get on the GUI train and did not have the other interoperable products needed at the time.

[FR-S2GT86]

I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years now:

https://vivaldi.com/

It's cross-platform except for iPhone, but I haven't had to watch a single ad on YouTube on my Android phone since I installed it.

When Opera decided to ditch the Presto engine and move to a Chromium-based engine, all the old programmers left and eventually formed Vivaldi. Good stuff.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years now:

https://vivaldi.com/

It's cross-platform except for iPhone, but I haven't had to watch a single ad on YouTube on my Android phone since I installed it.

When Opera decided to ditch the Presto engine and move to a Chromium-based engine, all the old programmers left and eventually formed Vivaldi. Good stuff.

I have a second browser installed for when I meet a website that doesn't work with all my Firefox addons. Atm I have Brave installed but I like trying new browsers so I'll give Vivaldi a go. If I don't like it I'll try Bach or Schubert.