Why would more power ruin the car??

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by shiumai

You mean Flatbrimicus Vapious Stancenatiens?

That is a sub group yes.


Another subgroup is in the Paulwalkerus family. They can be told apart by their distinctive cry of "fastandfurousisrealyooo"

[Harey]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

5. Contribute related information that is actually on topic but not what the others want to hear.
6. The original post is so vague or subjective that there is no real "topic" to start with.

Haha I dont think it could be much clearer, lots of people replying seem to have understood it very well.

In what technical ways does more power ruin the car.

There have been some good responses such as:
- if done well, it doesnt ruin the car
- additional front end weight can hurt handling
- additional weight on top of the engine can hurt COG
- turbochargers are not ideal due to the lack in immediate response and the sudden onset of torque after that.

[Harey]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

People who complain about lack of power have many solutions available. Shut up about it the lack of power, or do it something about it.

Wow you really cant read the thread topic. I have not complained about the lack of power.

The topic being discussed is "why would more power ruin the car" ie. of all the power adding solutions available that you mention (which we all aware of), which ones help the car and which ones ruin the car. And if so, how do they ruin the car.

While I have added power to many cars before I have not done so to a handling focussed car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Harey

Haha I dont think it could be much clearer, lots of people replying seem to have understood it very well.

In what technical ways does more power ruin the car.

There have been some good responses such as:
- if done well, it doesnt ruin the car
- additional front end weight can hurt handling
- additional weight on top of the engine can hurt COG
- turbochargers are not ideal due to the lack in immediate response and the sudden onset of torque after that.

But for each of those statements there have been counter ones that say the total opposite.

You are trying to make a topic that is subjective based upon personal opinion and make it black and white. The people that do some things may feel they made the car better while the next guy in line may feel they ruined it. The guy that slams a car to a 1/2 inch clearance doesn't think he ruined anything. The same applies to one that builds a 500 HP beast. If you just cherry pick the responses you want to hear and ignore everything else as "off topic" you may miss some very good information. All I am saying is you need to look at the whole picture not just a finely focused segment.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Didn't need to. If the cat was alive it would have knocked the box (with itself inside it) onto the floor already.

if theres a box on a counter surely the cat would knock it over but equally assuredly, if it fits, it sits. its no less solvable than the original cat paradox.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Harey

Wow you really cant read the thread topic. I have not complained about the lack of power.

The topic being discussed is "why would more power ruin the car" ie. of all the power adding solutions available that you mention (which we all aware of), which ones help the car and which ones ruin the car. And if so, how do they ruin the car.

While I have added power to many cars before I have not done so to a handling focussed car.

Look, recently I made some changes to my car. I put on 16" wheels with some fairly sticky rubber, along with lowering springs.

Is it better? Some would say yes.

Is it worse? Some would say yes.

It's definitely very different than the stock car.

The same could be said for adding more power. It's going to change the car, period. You will have to experience it. Others can't do that for you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Look, recently I made some changes to my car. I put on 16" wheels with some fairly sticky rubber, along with lowering springs.

Is it better? Some would say yes.

Is it worse? Some would say yes.

It's definitely very different than the stock car.

The same could be said for adding more power. It's going to change the car, period. You will have to experience it. Others can't do that for you.

THIS ^

[Deep Six]

Unless there is a universal definition for "ruin" then the original question can't be answered by anyone on behalf of someone else.


For myself, in retrospect the car was brilliant at 205 whp (E85/Header/Tune) and 2600 pounds wet. I probably should have stayed right there. But......

[ZDan]

I took my 240Z from stock 150(ish) hp to 250hp (3.1 L6 w/ headwork, cam, and 3x2 45mm triples). It did the opposite of ruin it...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I took my 240Z from stock 150(ish) hp to 250hp (3.1 L6 w/ headwork, cam, and 3x2 45mm triples). It did the opposite of ruin it...

I took my 70 Coronet from 370HP to 600 and it damn near ruined to for street use but not sure about the relevance to the Twins.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I took my 70 Coronet from 370HP to 600 and it damn near ruined to for street use but not sure about the relevance to the Twins.

That's because a 600 horsepower ANYTHING in 1975 was a full-tilt, race-only motor with gigantic cam, gigantic compression, gigantic headers, carb, etc. Today, 600 horsepower will idle under 1000rpm, in traffic with the A/C on, and still sail through an emissions test like nothing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by venturaII

That's because a 600 horsepower ANYTHING in 1975 was a full-tilt, race-only motor with gigantic cam, gigantic compression, gigantic headers, carb, etc. Today, 600 horsepower will idle under 1000rpm, in traffic with the A/C on, and still sail through an emissions test like nothing.

That is very true! You actually caught my point dead on. It doesn't matter where increases changed other cars since it is apples to aardvarks to compare.
Watching that thing idle with the massive cam was hilarious.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Watching that thing idle with the massive cam was hilarious.

I love that sound...I've also had a rowdy cammed big block car, and nothing feels like it at idle at a traffic light.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by venturaII

I love that sound...I've also had a rowdy cammed big block car, and nothing feels like it at idle at a traffic light.

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