OpenFlash Tablet and Vortech Supercharger

[Malt]

Originally Posted by vgi

nope, that's not how i remember it. they never stated that their tunes were ONLY for OFT customers. there were lots of heated discussions about openness and availability of all OFT tunes, but then latest tunes started coming out in locked dev format and FI tunes were not available for download on their web site. anyways, i don't care, i went FI and had to buy EcuTek.

The beta versions of tunes were given to beta testers in Dev format to ensure consistent testing. The final revisions of each tune was released in bin format.

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[Foobar]

Originally Posted by vgi

nope, that's not how i remember it. they never stated that their tunes were ONLY for OFT customers. there were lots of heated discussions about openness and availability of all OFT tunes, but then latest tunes started coming out in locked dev format and FI tunes were not available for download on their web site. anyways, i don't care, i went FI and had to buy EcuTek.

Then in that case, they're completely public and not privy or semi-privy. Just gotta ask for the FI ones nicely and they'll e-mail them to you in .bin format. Nothing, at this point, is restricted to .dev format except perhaps their new in-house turbo kit tune which hasn't been released yet.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Foobar

Then in that case, they're completely public and not privy or semi-privy. Just gotta ask for the FI ones nicely and they'll e-mail them to you in .bin format. Nothing, at this point, is restricted to .dev format except perhaps their new in-house turbo kit tune which hasn't been released yet.

This is correct. All inquiring OFT customers are receiving FI tunes that are unencrypted. And we have a ton of customers running Turbo and SC and ESC systems at this time. The only time we supply maps in encrypted .dev format is early in development when we don't want customers to make any mapping changes for safety reasons. That will likely apply when we release our OFT350 kit in January.

Cheers,
shiv

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by vgi

@Malt @Foobar

glad you two are happy and post on behalf of shiv as i never got reply to my question here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=828

just fyi if you have to ask for something ('nicely') it ain't opened.

I was being facetious. I'm sure you can be a **** and ask for it like you're entitled to it and Shiv will still give it to you. I think that's how it played out with CJSporl, come to think of it.

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[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by vgi

@Malt @Foobar

glad you two are happy and post on behalf of shiv as i never got reply to my question here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=828

just fyi if you have to ask for something ('nicely') it ain't opened.

I never even saw that question as it was buried in a thread that I was not keep track of. Plus, we have been on vacation since the 20th so I think I'm allowed a little slack

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash

I never even saw that question as it was buried in a thread that I was not keep track of. Plus, we have been on vacation since the 20th so I think I'm allowed a little slack

Shiv,

Since it's been asked repeatedly by folks, is there a reason you don't have the FI tunes published for download like the other tunes? Just curious.

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[TiTAN]

Good to know. Any chance I can get my hands on a tune to get me started with the Innovate/Sprintex 210?

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by TiTAN

Good to know. Any chance I can get my hands on a tune to get me started with the Innovate/Sprintex 210?

Unfortunately, I have never tuned (or even personally seen) an Innovate/Sprintex kit so we don't have any OTS maps available for it. Currently, we support SBD Turbo, Vortech SC and Phantom ESC. We will be supporting another turbo kit (our own) early next year.

Originally Posted by vgi

sure you are, it's been a while though also there were similar questions ('cause naturally I searched) but I never found an answer from anyone which is why i posted that Q.

funny how stating that FI tunes are not available yield better results

I don't quite understand what you are getting at. We have been providing our customers with SBD, Vortech and Phantom tunes (all un-unencrypted) for a quite some time now. We have a few dozen FI customers who can vouch for that. If someone needs a map for their OFT, they just need to email me. I think we do a pretty good job of providing these stuff for free to all OFT customer.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by TiTAN

Good to know. Any chance I can get my hands on a tune to get me started with the Innovate/Sprintex 210?

Shiv doesn't have an Innovate/Sprintex 210 baseline because nobody local to him has brought the kit for him to tune yet.

[TiTAN]

I understand there is no Innovate/Sprintex tune but I will need something so I can drive without leaning out the car. Would it be safe to run the Phantom tune while I wait for the "Custom E-Tuning" process to start?

[troek]

I dont think you can e tune a supercharger, especially without a base map to go off.

[Malt]

Originally Posted by vgi

@Malt @Foobar

glad you two are happy and post on behalf of shiv as i never got reply to my question here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=828

just fyi if you have to ask for something ('nicely') it ain't opened.

What's with the passive aggressive posting? I'm not posting on behalf of shiv, I'm trying to be helpful. Lets not let this topic turn into another OFT vs. other tuning solution thread with the locked vs unlocked debate. That horse was beaten to death LONG ago.

Shiv most likely doesn't release the FI kit tunes on the website because he doesn't have them already made around every single CalID and it's more time efficient to deal with the requests as they come in instead of building every single rom possibility. Has nothing to due with requesting the tune nicely, just a matter of good time management.

Originally Posted by TiTAN

I understand there is no Innovate/Sprintex tune but I will need something so I can drive without leaning out the car. Would it be safe to run the Phantom tune while I wait for the "Custom E-Tuning" process to start?

I'm not sure why you think ANY tune other than one designed around the innovate kit will work. As far as I'm aware, no tuner offers a baseline forced induction tune that is generic and works for any kit available and if they did I would be highly suspicious of that tune. The baseline tunes offered by other tuners are specific to each kit and are designed to just get you to a tuner to properly tune the car. As shiv doesn't have access to an innovate kit, has never seen one, and doesn't sell them, you have a couple options.

#1: Bring your car to shiv for proper tuning
#2: Wait for someone to bring an innovate car to shiv for tuning and he releases a base map.
#3: Find a local tuner who tunes with romraider and can provide a rom you can upload with your OFT.
#4: Use a different tuning solution for your innovate kit

The Phantom tune definitely will not work with the sprintex kit and attempting to do so will almost certainly result in engine damage.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Malt

What's with the passive aggressive posting? I'm not posting on behalf of shiv, I'm trying to be helpful. Lets not let this topic turn into another OFT vs. other tuning solution thread.

Shiv most likely doesn't release the FI kit tunes on the website because he doesn't have them already made around every single CalID and it's more time efficient to deal with the requests as they come in instead of building every single rom possibility. Has nothing to due with requesting the tune nicely, just a matter of good time management.




I'm not sure why you think ANY tune other than one designed around the innovate kit will work. As far as I'm aware, no tuner offers a baseline forced induction tune that is generic and works for any kit available and if they did I would be highly suspicious of that tune. The baseline tunes offered by other tuners are specific to each kit and are designed to just get you to a tuner to properly tune the car. As shiv doesn't have access to an innovate kit, has never seen one, and doesn't sell them, you have a couple options.

#1: Bring your car to shiv for proper tuning
#2: Wait for someone to bring an innovate car to shiv for tuning and he releases a base map.
#3: Find a local tuner who tunes with romraider and can provide a rom you can upload with your OFT.
#4: Use a different tuning solution for your innovate kit

The Phantom tune definitely will not work with the sprintex kit and attempting to do so will almost certainly result in engine damage.

Exactly! Why the hell would a tune for an Esc work for a traditional kit...although I think delicious tuning has a generic fi tune.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by TiTAN

I understand there is no Innovate/Sprintex tune but I will need something so I can drive without leaning out the car. Would it be safe to run the Phantom tune while I wait for the "Custom E-Tuning" process to start?

I don't think you understand the concept of tuning an FI platform enough. Please see a local tuner, or get the Innovate baseline tune before you blow your engine.

Custom E-Tuning is not an option for an FI kit that the tuner does not already have a baseline for, and each baseline is going to be specific to the various components of the FI kit in question - Intake, Boost, MAP sensor, Header, etc.

Basically, your baseline is going to get you over 90% of the way there, and for daily driving, can be considered "good enough". A custom tune on top of that will get you the rest of the way, if you need to get there, that is. Further, there's the additional argument that an e-tune will never replace a dyno tune as far as getting every last ounce of tweaking, so consider what your requirements and goals are to evaluate what makes sense.

All of that is well beyond the scope of your immediate need though - you need to get yourself an Innovate baseline tune. If you're trying to use another kit's FI tune as a starting point, you're likely better off just using the NA tune as your starting point.