EcuTek = no resale value?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Dynotronics1

That's how we do it. Not sure what limits the other vendors use, but as long as you stay within the same type of induction, your updated calibrations are free for as long as you own the car

Pity you're not in CA

[Toma]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

Is there?

Most definately. A few people in this thread figure they get free tunes versus free updates.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by fenton

So would you be against a customer selling your "updated tune for life" to another person assuming you could confirm the first person removed from their car?

Everyone is talking about these free updates but what does it matter who is getting these free updates, the first or the second customer.

It's my understanding that a lot of what goes into making a map work for your car is the first however many sets of datalogging/updates you do. after the tuner gets their tune dialed in for the specifics of your car future updates for a new header or whatever don't take a ton of work (compared to the initial logging/calibration process).

If you were to sell that to person B, they'd have to start over with the initial process.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

It's my understanding that a lot of what goes into making a map work for your car is the first however many sets of datalogging/updates you do. after the tuner gets their tune dialed in for the specifics of your car future updates for a new header or whatever don't take a ton of work (compared to the initial logging/calibration process).

If you were to sell that to person B, they'd have to start over with the initial process.

I have sent datalogs and just get "looks fine" as a response.

I understand that this is probably different for people with a intake or header but mine is just stock except the tune.

Trying to line up some dyno time in the next week or so, im interested to see stock vs Visconti stage 1 (1.1) and Visconti stage 1 (1.14).

Supposedly there are big changes to the new 1.14 Visconti tune as per people that have flashed it on the forum and Visconti himself.

Back to back dyno's are always good

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by fenton

I have sent datalogs and just get "looks fine" as a response.

I understand that this is probably different for people with a intake or header but mine is just stock except the tune.

Trying to line up some dyno time in the next week or so, im interested to see stock vs Visconti stage 1 (1.1) and Visconti stage 1 (1.14).

Supposedly there are big changes to the new 1.14 Visconti tune as per people that have flashed it on the forum and Visconti himself.

Back to back dyno's are always good

If you do them back to back, make sure you reset the ECU before each run, or maybe even reflash 1.1 right before going on the dyno so that you eliminate the variable of 1.1 having had time to "learn" while 1.4 would still be fresh (if that makes sense).

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

It's my understanding that a lot of what goes into making a map work for your car is the first however many sets of datalogging/updates you do. after the tuner gets their tune dialed in for the specifics of your car future updates for a new header or whatever don't take a ton of work (compared to the initial logging/calibration process).

If you were to sell that to person B, they'd have to start over with the initial process.

If the tune is going to be "good enough", then sure.

Originally Posted by fenton

I have sent datalogs and just get "looks fine" as a response.

Perfect example. Is it "fine"? Sure. Can it be made better? Probably, but you're gonna get what you pay for. If you offered to pay for a few hours of touch-up/fine tuning, you'd probably get a different response from your tuner.


If this is the quality of tune we're going to get for a "free tunes for life" deal, then we'll pass. It's the same reason we don't get lifetime alignments from Firestone. "Good enough" doesn't cut it for us, especially when it involves our engine. We've already had two go bad.

[Toma]

In all fairness... what are you going to check on a mail order tune? Af on target? Af learn? Timing, advance multiplier, knock learn....

But how do they know 20 degrees intake cam advance is optimal for your mods at such and such rpm? How do they KNOW YOUR engine wants 11.9 af at 7500? Etc.

Just examples. Not that in all honesty will matter too much on a near stock frs.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If the tune is going to be "good enough", then sure.



Perfect example. Is it "fine"? Sure. Can it be made better? Probably, but you're gonna get what you pay for. If you offered to pay for a few hours of touch-up/fine tuning, you'd probably get a different response from your tuner.


If this is the quality of tune we're going to get for a "free tunes for life" deal, then we'll pass. It's the same reason we don't get lifetime alignments from Firestone. "Good enough" doesn't cut it for us, especially when it involves our engine. We've already had two go bad.

FWIW, I've never had that response from @FA20Club.com - I always get a map back, often times i'll get emails from Tony asking ME for more datalogs
so he can give me more updates. It's quite a different buying/ownership experience than the other tune I have.

[Dynotronics1]

Originally Posted by Toma

In all fairness... what are you going to check on a mail order tune? Af on target? Af learn? Timing, advance multiplier, knock learn....

But how do they know 20 degrees intake cam advance is optimal for your mods at such and such rpm? How do they KNOW YOUR engine wants 11.9 af at 7500? Etc.

Just examples. Not that in all honesty will matter too much on a near stock frs.

Pretty much the same way you would if the car were strapped to a roller dyno. Is it optimal, no, but 99.9% of tune customers don't want to spend the extra coin for drive cycle/dyno time tuning. You will always get a few extra percent gain on the power with a combination of the two, no doubt

Of course it helps if you own a shop mule for every platform you calibrate also.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

If you do them back to back, make sure you reset the ECU before each run, or maybe even reflash 1.1 right before going on the dyno so that you eliminate the variable of 1.1 having had time to "learn" while 1.4 would still be fresh (if that makes sense).

If you load up the dyno for about 5 - 10 seconds before you start the car runs max advance (on stock tune anyways)

Tuners usually default the DAM to 1 to start.