AVO turbo kit for BRZ - initial build thread

[TyperRspec789]

Next set of questions:

1- What's the hardware difference between Stage 1 and Stage 2?

2- Can a Stage 1 be upgraded to a Stage 2 w/ additional parts?

3- What's the best ETA on the second batch of turbo kits?

4- Will you have optional adapters to mate aftermarket intakes (ex. Injen)?

Thanks, I'll probably be sending my deposit tonight.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

Next set of questions:

1- What's the hardware difference between Stage 1 and Stage 2?

2- Can a Stage 1 be upgraded to a Stage 2 w/ additional parts?

3- What's the best ETA on the second batch of turbo kits?

Thanks, I'll probably be sending my deposit tonight.

Paul himself still can't answer your first question, his response to that would be the same as below considering that was only a day or two ago.
(IMO, from what he has stated, the stage 2 is definitely going to be an upgrade to a full turbo back exhaust, and depending in their WHP goals for stg. 2 it will depend on a few things wether its simply an exhaust upgrade and more psi and a corresponding tune, from what I understand they want to try and push the stock injectors to their limit (safe limit ofcourse) and if they can do that and get a WHP goal they like for stage 2, hardware will probably simply consist of an exhaust upgrade, maybe more, this is simply my opinion..)

As for as I know, nearly ANY company's stage upgrades are purposely designed to be able to upgrade from stage 1 to stage 2 ect, most of the time its cheaper to get stage 2 from the start as opposed to stage 1 and then upgrade to stage 2..

As far as ETA goes, I believe it's in March for their 2nd batch and that their second batch will be quite larger then the first because they weren't expecting nearly as much demand..

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

Stage 2 is still in R&D. What that really means is, while we have a fair idea of what we are going to do with Stage 2, we haven't finalized all the details and hardware. As mentioned previously Japan is testing the limits of the OEM fueling system. Then we'll have to decide if we stay within those limits or upgrade the fueling system.

[TyperRspec789]

Originally Posted by Brody602

(IMO, from what he has stated, the stage 2 is definitely going to be an upgrade to a full turbo back exhaust, and depending in their WHP goals for stg. 2 it will depend on a few things wether its simply an exhaust upgrade and more psi and a corresponding tune, from what I understand they want to try and push the stock injectors to their limit (safe limit ofcourse) and if they can do that and get a WHP goal they like for stage 2, hardware will probably simply consist of an exhaust upgrade, maybe more, this is simply my opinion..)

As for as I know, nearly ANY company's stage upgrades are purposely designed to be able to upgrade from stage 1 to stage 2 ect, most of the time its cheaper to get stage 2 from the start as opposed to stage 1 and then upgrade to stage 2..

If the only difference is a turboback exhaust and tune.. I might as well call my setup a stage 2. I already have a 2.5" headerback exhaust system. I was going to get Visconti to dyno tune to both 93octane and e85. Pretty much shooting for 250whp on 93oct and 300whp on e85.

[AVOturboworld]

As mentioned, we aren't fully decided at this point. I can definitely say that a turbo-back exhaust is part of it, but it's the rest we need to continue testing for.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

If the only difference is a turboback exhaust and tune.. I might as well call my setup a stage 2. I already have a 2.5" headerback exhaust system. I was going to get Visconti to dyno tune to both 93octane and e85. Pretty much shooting for 250whp on 93oct and 300whp on e85.

Well it's hard to say, but from previous postings Paul made, IMO it implied that stage 2 wouldnt be very much more hardware wise comapred to stage 1. This really depends on what their goal for stage is, and as of yet, it hasn't been stated what that is.

From what I know, the stage one doesn't push the oem fueling very far, and they might be able to acheive the stage 2 goal with oem fueling.. One of AVO's main focus is to retain reliability for a daily driver, so they're bot tryibg to reach 400RWHP goals like some companies.. I think we might be able to expect more then just an exhaust upgrade for stage 2 though based on Paul not already releasing all the info on stage 2 yet, dont quote me on that though ;P


As far as intake goes to your 4th question you added, I don't think AVO has any plans to make any adaptions to fit aftermarket intakes, simply because they probably feel that the car already has a decent setup, (it retained the stock intake, but the piping allows for more air flow) and IMO if they did add the ability to support an aftermarket intake they would probably make their own for that.. Maybe we'll see that in the stage 2? Who knows, it's still in R&D, but heres what I do know.

AVO's kit will be the best bang for your buck in terms of a turbo set up! I haven't seen a kit with this much R&D, Testing & Tuning on the market yet, certainly not for the price their kit is listed at. Like I stated before, one of their main goals for this kit is a little extra push for daily driver application, which is fair to say;

Daily Driver=Reliability

That's the goal for any DD, reliability.


Cheers:happy0180:

[Brody602]

@AVOturboworld

Any chance on getting a free kit if I do marketing for you guys?;D

Aha, Just kidding, from the sounds of things, marketing isn't a problem in terms of demand/sales.

[gdrider77]

quick question on this setup, since i have paid my deposit and simply waiting for my kit, what additional parts will i need to buy, gauges, controllers etc..I would like to get these parts and create the custom mounts and such for the gauges while i wait. Does the kit come with any, or can any generic setup work? All new to the turbo world, so excuse the questions if these are normally a given.

Thanks for the info.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by gdrider77

quick question on this setup, since i have paid my deposit and simply waiting for my kit, what additional parts will i need to buy, gauges, controllers etc..I would like to get these parts and create the custom mounts and such for the gauges while i wait. Does the kit come with any, or can any generic setup work? All new to the turbo world, so excuse the questions if these are normally a given.

Thanks for the info.

Generally speaking you won't require ANYTHING, for this specific kit. With the exception of EcuTek if you plan to install the kit yourself and program the base tune map in, gauges wouldnt have much use for you unless you ran into problems which you shouldnt, if you're really set on gauges I would recommend getting a boost gauge, a AFR gauge, and oil temp gauge. As far as controllers go, those are more or less for people who want more precise control, generally speaking people who are racing competitively etc.

[gdrider77]

Originally Posted by Brody602

Generally speaking you won't require ANYTHING, for this specific kit. With the exception of EcuTek if you plan to install the kit yourself and program the base tune map in, gauges wouldnt have much use for you unless you ran into problems which you shouldnt, if you're really set on gauges I would recommend getting a boost gauge, a AFR gauge, and oil temp gauge. As far as controllers go, those are more or less for people who want more precise control, generally speaking people who are racing competitively etc.

Great....thanks for the info. I ordered the EcuTek from them already, so should be good there...for the gauges, are they all pretty much universal?

[flatline]

Originally Posted by gdrider77

Great....thanks for the info. I ordered the EcuTek from them already, so should be good there...for the gauges, are they all pretty much universal?

As someone who hasn't done this before, might I suggest at least talking to a tuner shop in your area, like Revolution Performance?

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by gdrider77

Great....thanks for the info. I ordered the EcuTek from them already, so should be good there...for the gauges, are they all pretty much universal?

Yeah, for the most part they are. I'm looking into using the torque app on an android device, such as the Nexus 7 and mounting it in my car as a gauge pod, currently trying to find out if it supports aftermarket turbos for boost indication, but from my understanding it should. Nice thing is the very easy install compared to gauges, and a lot cheaper, and access to A lot more gauges that you can possibly fit in your car (without making it look trashy anyways) You can find a little more basic info about it here or google it lol;

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23391

Originally Posted by flatline

As someone who hasn't done this before, might I suggest at least talking to a tuner shop in your area, like Revolution Performance?

This isn't a bad idea for advice, depending how nice the shop is they'll help you out.

[gdrider77]

Originally Posted by gdrider77

Great....thanks for the info. I ordered the EcuTek from them already, so should be good there...for the gauges, are they all pretty much universal?

As a matter of fact headed to one tonight (Tobz). I am stopping by to chat, and they are also putting my eibach springs on this thursday. So i am sure they will give some good insight as well. I spoke to a few in the denver metro area, and overall all seem like good guys, problem is, not one has touched one of these cars yet....

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by gdrider77

As a matter of fact headed to one tonight (Tobz). I am stopping by to chat, and they are also putting my eibach springs on this thursday. So i am sure they will give some good insight as well. I spoke to a few in the denver metro area, and overall all seem like good guys, problem is, not one has touched one of these cars yet....

Yeah, that's always a problem with new vehicle models ;P are you looking to get a tune from them or simply an install or simply insight? do you plan to install yourself or have it installed?

[AVOturboworld]

With the possible exception of a secondary boost gauge and A/F gauge, all monitoring can be taken care of within Ecutek in the logging. But given that you have to have a laptop mounted up and running (with the OBD-II cable hanging down right above your go-faster leg), I can understand that it's not that useful for DD usage.

From our testing with a/f, egt, knock-ears and such on the car, the standard sensor readout to ecutek is fairly good. Boost gauges are fun to look at, but to be honest when the car is a max boost, you won't have much attention span left over to be looking at gauges. I do run a knock link, though, as knock is our primary concern and that's something I need to pay attention to at all times, being the designated crash test dummy for the kit here.