Tracking with Forced Induction

[CSG Mike]

I think the point @ultra has, is that once you add power, you start shifting over to the mentality of the Corvette/GT-R/Porsche drivers, and start using the power in a straight line as a crutch. You start to focus more on corner exit to get on the power, rather than the corner itself.

Not many drivers here are experienced enough to not use the power as a crutch.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

And in regards to the rehashed debating about turbochargers and superchargers: Isn't that exactly what you'd expect to see when the OP asked

What I would expect to see is the OP use the search button for the 20 or so previous supercharger versus turbocharger threads, but that would be wishful thinking. The ultimate question the OP asked was about reliability, so I will get this back on track by saying that reliability/maintainability is in the hands of the owner. All the kits have had some reliability issues, but being able to maintain a kit is the owner's responsibility.

[AllDayJonRay]

Have literally all of the kits on the market had reliability issues? I think I've seen at least a few circumstances of engine compartment heat issues with all of the front mount turbo kits, but what reliability issues have we seen with the superchargers and other turbo kits?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

Have literally all of the kits on the market had reliability issues? I think I've seen at least a few circumstances of engine compartment heat issues with all of the front mount turbo kits, but what reliability issues have we seen with the superchargers and other turbo kits?

Check out the compilation of issues on all the supercharger kits that one of the members compiled. I think the issues with the AVO kit are pretty well documented as well. The Full Blown and any of the front mount kits that run the turbo or downpipe close to the fans or result in requiring slim fans can also have issues. I am not sure I have heard of any issues with the PTuning kit other than the cost and the fact that your cat can destroy the turbo since it is placed post OEM header/cat. Ultimately, it comes down to knowing any possible issues and doing your best to maintain the car so as to avoid them.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I think the point @ultra has, is that once you add power, you start shifting over to the mentality of the Corvette/GT-R/Porsche drivers, and start using the power in a straight line as a crutch. You start to focus more on corner exit to get on the power, rather than the corner itself.

Not many drivers here are experienced enough to not use the power as a crutch.

Yes but let's not forget that there are some Porsche/GT-R/Corvette owners that can really take advantage of their cars too

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

Have literally all of the kits on the market had reliability issues? I think I've seen at least a few circumstances of engine compartment heat issues with all of the front mount turbo kits, but what reliability issues have we seen with the superchargers and other turbo kits?

All but one SC kit (see below) has experienced issues in one way or another. All of the front mount turbo kits need extensive supplemental cooling mods to take the heat from hardcore track abuse in hot climates.

Originally Posted by King Tut

Check out the compilation of issues on all the supercharger kits that one of the members compiled. I think the issues with the AVO kit are pretty well documented as well. The Full Blown and any of the front mount kits that run the turbo or downpipe close to the fans or result in requiring slim fans can also have issues. I am not sure I have heard of any issues with the PTuning kit other than the cost and the fact that your cat can destroy the turbo since it is placed post OEM header/cat. Ultimately, it comes down to knowing any possible issues and doing your best to maintain the car so as to avoid them.

Here is what I think Tut's referencing: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...15#post1585815

The Jackson Racing SC kit as far as I know has had zero reported issues since launch from their owners and is also the only FI kit to date for these cars to have a flawless launch and adoption period for both street and track applications. @CSG Mike can speak to that with more validity since his shop has sold quite a few JR SC kits.

[SirBrass]

Good news is that vortech seems to have adequately addressed all the issues that cropped up with their kit.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by mike the snake

This has some pressure charts.







Related links:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48283
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...01#post1249401


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there is blue a low pressure zone, under the rear edge of the hood where the cowl is.

[Basket Case]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

All but one SC kit (see below) has experienced issues in one way or another. All of the front mount turbo kits need extensive supplemental cooling mods to take the heat from hardcore track abuse in hot climates.



Here is what I think Tut's referencing: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...15#post1585815

The Jackson Racing SC kit as far as I know has had zero reported issues since launch from their owners and is also the only FI kit to date for these cars to have a flawless launch and adoption period for both street and track applications. @CSG Mike can speak to that with more validity since his shop has sold quite a few JR SC kits.

that is good to know.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Tainen

Your points make sense and are salient, but I think the real fun and goal is to find the edge of your machine, not to raise the edge and comfortably live within it's limits. You're not learning much if you just increase the total threshold all the time without getting closer to that threshold and learning the ins and outs of it. Yeah you drive the car harder, but isn't that the point of tracking a car and getting intimate with it?

Both have their merits.

Some people want to be fast drivers, while others want to have fast cars.

Some people are slow drivers in slow cars, while the gifted rare ones are fast drivers in fast cars.

Everyone wants to believe that they're a fast driver, and that they have a fast car, just how everyone wants to believe that they made the right decision in purchasing any given part or modification.

To each, their own. You can't change the mind of someone who's not open to a different viewpoint.

[CSG Mike]

Well, the verdict is in...

[rb6freak]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

The Jackson Racing SC kit as far as I know has had zero reported issues since launch from their owners and is also the only FI kit to date for these cars to have a flawless launch and adoption period for both street and track applications. @CSG Mike can speak to that with more validity since his shop has sold quite a few JR SC kits.

PTuning as well, zero issues since launch. I know of 5 owners already tracking their cars and no reported issues. One owner hit 265F oil temps and zero damage from heat. Only one of the 5 has an oil cooler at this point.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Both have their merits.

Some people want to be fast drivers, while others want to have fast cars.

Some people are slow drivers in slow cars, while the gifted rare ones are fast drivers in fast cars.

Everyone wants to believe that they're a fast driver, and that they have a fast car, just how everyone wants to believe that they made the right decision in purchasing any given part or modification.

To each, their own. You can't change the mind of someone who's not open to a different viewpoint.

And some of us want to be fast drivers with fast cars.

Talked about tracking the BRZ in hpde & time attack with some NASA - AZ folks last night. They advised against FI... Yet.

I definitely want to do it eventually, but am becoming increasingly convinced to hold off on it for a while.

Cooling, suspension, longevity, and driver skill (not necessarily in that order) are things I ought to invest in right now. Hopefully that'll let me take maximal advantage of FI when I finally do get it.



On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[MyRx]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Good news is that vortech seems to have adequately addressed all the issues that cropped up with their kit.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

Unfortunately Vortech's warranty does not transfer to new/next owner so eventually the new/next owner inherits those probable issues (at a cost).

FWIW, if Vortech is your FI AND you plan to track the car (spirited drives included), suck up the cost of upgrading to their heavy-duty version. Otherwise the lesser of the 2 kits is perfect for an ornamental-only standpoint.