Things About Your FR-S/86 You've Grown Used To

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Make em $80 it's still cheaper than an engine or a clutch.

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Yep, you're right.

[Sapphireho]

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[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Make em $80 it's still cheaper than an engine or a clutch.

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I'll ask again. Just how are you wearing your engine and clutch by engine braking? Do you know what "engine braking? is? Your post show that you don't.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I'll ask again. Just how are you wearing your engine and clutch by engine braking? Do you know what "engine braking? is? Your post show that you don't.

I already said I'm not talking about just letting off the gas. If that's all you mean by it then fine but most people referring to that I think include downshifting instead of hitting the brakes and that's where I think it becomes silly.

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[86MLR]

I engine brake, in everything, cars, bikes, hell, even trucks, which are engine braking trying to slow down 50 tons.

Rev match, I rev match everything the same, in saying that, I have always been pretty bad at it, thank Jebus for ECUTEK and rev match.

Wearing out engines and clutches, LOL, the crap people babble on about.

Maybe they need to buy a Prius.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I engine brake, in everything, cars, bikes, hell, even trucks, which are engine braking trying to slow down 50 tons.



Rev match, I rev match everything the same, in saying that, I have always been pretty bad at it, thank Jebus for ECUTEK and rev match.



Wearing out engines and clutches, LOL, the crap people babble on about.



Maybe they need to buy a Prius.

Jake brakes rock, but that's designed for that.

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[DandoX]

Gotta engine brake when needed, however it isn't really needed for everyday driving unless going down a long steep hill. I rarely engine brake and I'm at 80k with a decent bit of oem pad life left (car hasn't gone to auto X or track).

Engine braking is fun to do in every day driving though, so nothing wrong with that. I don't think you really cause any extra wear that would be measurable. With older cars that are more heavy with more shitty brakes you gotta engine brake and brake or else you just cook your brakes. This car is so light that you can use brakes a ton without any extra wear (not including autoX and track).

My point is engine braking for the sake of conserving brakes is not really needed. Not engine braking for the sake of conserving clutch/engine wear is also not really needed. You engine brake when you go down a steep hill or you want to aid the brakes or just for the hell of it. Or you just use brakes because your lazy. Don't do it for the idea that your somehow conserving wear.

(disclaimer: of course there are scenarios where you NEED to engine brake such as extended spirited driving that would cause the brakes to gain lots of heat. For daily driving engine braking is only for fun... most of the time)

[ermax]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I can do it, I just only rev match for a gear I'm actually going to use to accelerate. I'm not going downshift 5 times just to stop. Or 3 times to go from 6 to 3rd when I could just use the brakes and go right to 3rd. That's like OCD status if you have to use every gear everytime. And again $20 pads versus much more expensive parts to wear... for what just because you have a manual and you can? I'm not trying to use the clutch any more times than I need to even when I'm driving semi-hard. Unless you're 1in behind the guy in front of you with no idea when he might try to take off (on a track maybe) on you how do you not know what gear your going to need next? Or is this really saving you money burning through all these extra shifts just so as not to use the brakes for their intended purpose? Maybe it's a preference thing but it seems inefficient to me unless your in hot battle or not sure what gear you're going to need next. Probably costs more in gas alone than pads let alone maintenance, lol.

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When you’re coming to a stop and the unexpected happens like a dump truck behind you that isn’t going to stop, if you are already in the correct gear you just plant your foot. You don’t want to be sitting in neutral with the engine at idle trying to figure out what gear is best in a panic. These are just manual driving 101 sort of things. You should never be in neutral or clutched in while moving.

If you rev match properly there is very little wear on the clutch as it’s all moving at the same speed when clamping. If you double clutch you can also eliminate the wear on the syncros. So the downshifts are essentially free. My car has 100k miles on the original, clutch master cylinder, clutch disk, pressure plate, flywheel, brake pads and rotors. In my 25 years of driving manuals I have never worn out a clutch. I have broken pressure plates from too many flat shifts and hard launch’s but never actually worn one out. I do typically rip through pads because I tropically run perf pads and despite what you think, I use the brakes, engine and gears all at the same time while stopping if needed.

Besides all that downshifting just adds to the fun regardless of whether it’s 100% necessary.

You seem like a good candidate for an auto.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

How do you "fuck up" engine braking?

not rev-matching.

true story, i was once riding with my parents, and they ended up pacing next to a guy in a brand new corvette. country roads with a few stop lights and 55mph limit, every light, i watched as the entire car lurched as he went from 7th to 1st, one gear at a time.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I don't need to always be right, and honestly I haven't had to change my pads yet in my BRZ at just under 40k. Even though I don't engine brake! (EDIT: anymore than I have to)... Everytime you put a load on your engine or your clutch it's wear. Maybe normal wear, but wear nonetheless. I'd rather put it on my pads even if they're $40 a wheel!

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When engine braking you are removing load not adding it. If you want to get technical you are actually putting more load and using more fuel by letting it idle vs letting it cut all fuel and ignition when decelerating.

[p1l0t]

Lol yeah yeah I can't drive because I actually know what gear I need to be in when I exit the turn, right. A dump truck will kill me if I am not ready I gear... I should drive a Prius because I don't drive aggressively enough since I use brakes instead of the engine. I am a liar because I said brake pads were $20 instead of $40. Keep on with the fallacies... Dando might be right though, maybe I am just lazy and maybe the wear is mostly negligible but it still seems silly to me keep downshifting your car when you could just press the brake and get the same effect. There are times when it make sense but most of the time the regular old brakes are just fine if you know what the next gear you will need to be in is in advance. And at the end of the day if I am going to choose between wearing on pads or my clutch/engine/transmission... brake pads all day long. Even if it means I shouldn't have a manual because I don't drive it like AutoX day everyday...

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[ermax]

Engine braking literally has nothing to do with downshifting. Engine braking by definition is anytime you lift off the throttle and the ECU cuts all fuel and spark. It puts LESS wear on the engine than idling. If you want to argue about wear then leave engine braking out of it and stick purely to arguing that downshifts wear because that is technically correct although insignificant when done properly.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by ermax

When engine braking you are removing load not adding it. If you want to get technical you are actually putting more load and using more fuel by letting it idle vs letting it cut all fuel and ignition when decelerating.

Actually it causes a high*manifold vacuum which the cylinders have to work against. This saps energy and produces the majority of the engine braking force.

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[ermax]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Actually it causes a high*manifold vacuum which the cylinders have to work against. This saps energy and produces the majority of the engine braking force.

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Compressing air does not cause wear dude. You do realize the engine is always compressing air right?