FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Deslock

You may have taken my comment too seriously. Though we don't always agree, we're all here because we share an enthusiasm for cars. It's all in good fun, and I hope SUB-FT86 laughed at what I intended to be a little light hearted teasing.




Thanks for posting that. Here's a transcript from 3:00 into the video, when he made his main comparison between the FRS and GC 2.0T:


And some quotes from the related written review: http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1880.html



For reference, their Scion FRS review: http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1809.html

I wasn't bothered by it. I actually laughed at it and didn't response.

[Dragonitti]

Interesting..

A bragging point for Hyundai is that the new 2.0T has an even better power to weight ratio than the Scion FR-S. The comparisons between the two should probably end there, however. As solid a car as the new Genesis is, it’s a more substantial vehicle and lacks the purity of the FR-S, which excels at communicating with the driver through the chassis and steering.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

So what are your thoughts on the V6 Mustang driveshaft issues?

Well it's a lightweight one piece econo-shaft, but the grenade point is closer to 135 than it is 115. Even still, that should have been self-evident seeing as the GT and six don't share the same 2-piece shaft.. It was the same with the old Mercury Maurader's vs. Crown Victoria. Also there are audible indicators the shaft is about to grenade anyway, people just like to ignore things like that.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Interesting..

I don't think anybody was surprised by that quote. There is no way a sporty car the size and mass of the GC can give better feedback to the driver than a smaller sporty car like the FR-S. I wonder how it feels in comparison to something its size however.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Well it's a lightweight one piece econo-shaft, but the grenade point is closer to 135 than it is 115. Even still, that should have been self-evident seeing as the GT and six don't share the same 2-piece shaft.. It was the same with the old Mercury Maurader's vs. Crown Victoria. Also there are audible indicators the shaft is about to grenade anyway, people just like to ignore things like that.

I have been out of the loop. What's this now?

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't think anybody was surprised by that quote. There is no way a sporty car the size and mass of the GC can give better feedback to the driver than a smaller sporty car like the FR-S. I wonder how it feels in comparison to something its size however.

Yeah, and I think that's why a lot of people on here are keen on...that weight isn't "everything" like someone said, but it's a thing you can't simply overlook for that very reason. And why it will be a blast to push an FR-S/BRZ around.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't think anybody was surprised by that quote. There is no way a sporty car the size and mass of the GC can give better feedback to the driver than a smaller sporty car like the FR-S. I wonder how it feels in comparison to something its size however.

I hope nobody's surprised by that. I think everyone that realized the power to weight of the outgoing 2.0T was worse than the FR-S pretty much expected the power bump, otherwise we wouldn't really still be talking about the GenCoupe (at least in 2.0T form).

But what a lot of us do realize is that adding power is easier than adding lightness. I have a feeling that the 'NO TURBO!!!' 'official' stance is more to troll Hyundai than anything.

Hyundai has pretty much now done all that can be reasonably expected in the performance department for the GenCoupe, while TMC/FHI still have the option of a forced induction trump card. All they would need to do to match the GenCoupe V6's power to weight is to match the 2.0T's hp. And that number will likely be the base WRX's, not even looking at what an STI will put out...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't think anybody was surprised by that quote. There is no way a sporty car the size and mass of the GC can give better feedback to the driver than a smaller sporty car like the FR-S. I wonder how it feels in comparison to something its size however.

feel maybe but i how is feedback related to size at all?

[DMDZK]

Originally Posted by fatoni

feel maybe but i how is feedback related to size at all?

It really isn't, I like the BRZ/FRS/86 as much as the next guy on here but some of us have really bought into the marketing for this car.

I love the Idea of a affordable, fun to drive, small car. If there was a 2+2 hard top equivalent to the Z4/s2000/Boxster S I'd be all over it. Some of the best praised drivers cars of the last 10 years have been 600+ lbs heavier than the AS1, many with much more power as well.

Fact is, that car doesn't exist. I Live in Minnesota and am not fan of convertibles, nor am I interested in a 25k used M3/3 Series/Cayman/whatever that will perform much better than an AS1 but will come with 40 -80k miles and a much higher cost of ownership.

The GC is an amazing car for the cost, and assuming they've improved the past generations transmission woes (as read in reviews) they've managed to improve an already solid offering. I understand that the AS1 and GC are not true rivals in classification/performance. but to consider one without looking at the other given the few similarities is unlikely.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by DMDZK

It really isn't, I like the BRZ/FRS/86 as much as the next guy on here but some of us have really bought into the marketing for this car.

I love the Idea of a affordable, fun to drive, small car. If there was a 2+2 hard top equivalent to the Z4/s2000/Boxster S I'd be all over it. Some of the best praised drivers cars of the last 10 years have been 600+ lbs heavier than the AS1, many with much more power as well.

Fact is, that car doesn't exist. I Live in Minnesota and am not fan of convertibles, nor am I interested in a 25k used M3/3 Series/Cayman/whatever that will perform much better than an AS1 but will come with 40 -80k miles and a much higher cost of ownership.

The GC is an amazing car for the cost, and assuming they've improved the past generations transmission woes (as read in reviews) they've managed to improve an already solid offering. I understand that the AS1 and GC are not true rivals in classification/performance. but to consider one without looking at the other given the few similarities is unlikely.

AGREED!!!

[MTD]

Initial reviews are starting to happen.
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1880.html

[Dimman]

^ Not that good of a sign that they gloss over the shifter/transmission with a bit of a negative comment.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by DMDZK

I love the Idea of a affordable, fun to drive, small car. If there was a 2+2 hard top equivalent to the Z4/s2000/Boxster S I'd be all over it. Some of the best praised drivers cars of the last 10 years have been 600+ lbs heavier than the AS1, many with much more power as well.

Fact is, that car doesn't exist. I Live in Minnesota and am not fan of convertibles, nor am I interested in a 25k used M3/3 Series/Cayman/whatever that will perform much better than an AS1 but will come with 40 -80k miles and a much higher cost of ownership.

The said affordable, fun to drive, small car, 2+2 hardtop equivalent to the Z4/s2000/Boxster S will exist in half a year. It's called the GT86/BRZ/FR-S, not sure if you heard of it. Lol.

The only difference is that the 86 trades off some power compared to the Z4/Boxster S (its pretty close to s2000) for more affordability.

In terms of "performance" vs. the M3/3 series/Cayman/whatever, again the 86 trades off power for more affordability. Otherwise the feel, handling and balance of the 86 should be up to par with said cars.

[Exage]

Originally Posted by Dimman

^ Not that good of a sign that they gloss over the shifter/transmission with a bit of a negative comment.

For a bit of insight, I checked some of the other reviews. Consensus being that the shifter was better but still notchy and vague, downgrading the drivers car side a bit. Autoguide is also the most critical review as of yet.

It seems like they [the magazines] have trouble trying to find a direct competitor. FRS, Pony Cars (6 and 8cyl), 370Z, G37S, 335i they are going all over the map between the 2 engines.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by MTD

Initial reviews are starting to happen.
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1880.html

That's one of the quickest reposts I've seen. From earlier today (10 posts before yours):

Originally Posted by Deslock

related written review: http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1880.html

And that was a follow-up to:

Originally Posted by vq37

Review from autoguide