Cosworth Power Packs pricing

[Okieman]

You guy's don't read very well. This is from an automatic transmission. Baseline is around 140whp for an Automatic Transmission first run . As the engine warms on the Dyno , as it would in normal use, the runs show less whp. If this is from a 3rd run 136whp would be normal and 162 whp with Cosworth.That gives a gain of 26whp !! Very normal!!! In fact very good.

[nikitopo]

Cosworth is just trying to make money with this kit. I suspect that even the header is not their own. They just sell parts from different manufacturers under their own brand. Their motto is just that they tested them and these parts will work well together. So you have more safety with their solution. Overall, they didn't convince people. A month ago I heard they made the first installation in UK. Only one installation after so many months? Now they are trying to promote it a bit more.

[stonenewt]

So we know the gains are real. Some may consider it be over-priced but hey, if you want to pay your money for the kits then why not?

Fact of the matter is most people with the Toyobru could have bought a 1.2 TSI 90ps VAG or similar and it would have filled their needs for transport at half the cost. Anything more than that is expensive indulgence.

[nikitopo]

Well, they provide some gains like all the others. This is not what I would expect from this brand. They have a great history, but this product is not representative of them. I'm pretty sure that these dynos are immediately after the re-flash and not after hard usage. I'm curious to see what the real gains will be after using the car hard. Just wondering where the IAM value would be then.

[jmsaxon69]

Originally Posted by Ernie L

..doesn't anyone else think the base run of 136 hp is low .

The usual dynojet results for a stock 86 run around 150-160 hp at the rear wheels.

I would think adding the 29 hp gain of the kit to the average 160hp would be more like the gains you could expect with a full exhaust and a tune. In other words 189 horse power.
Cosworth claims 230 at the crank for the 1.3 I believe...so 230 minus the parasitic losses ( alternator, starter, water pump,A/C compressor, all idler and tensioner pulleys, etc) would be around 190-200 hp at the crank.
I would be interested to see this same car on another dyno..

This is what I've been thinking, more like 190 range is what I'd expect, but I know nothing about the automatic transmission cars.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by stonenewt

Fact of the matter is most people with the Toyobru could have bought a 1.2 TSI 90ps VAG or similar and it would have filled their needs for transport at half the cost. Anything more than that is expensive indulgence.

True. Most people would be way happier with the torque of a 1.2 or 1.4 TSI. They just use their cars for accelerating fast when approaching high speed lanes. They are even bored to change gears. Then they complain that Toyobaru is slow.

[Ernie L]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Doesn't matter. What matters is using a consistent baseline for reference to compare results and determine a delta. A base dyno run could read 80hp for all I care as long as it's consistent and shows repeatable improvements or losses that make sense.

It matters if the end product is judged by the ultimate HP number..which is what appeared to be the case in this thread...that's why I brought it up.....and yes I'm well aware that it does not matter if you are only considering the HP gains.

[D_Thissen]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Wow for over 5 grand he gained 25hp!!! $208 per whp, that has to be the worst HP/$ yet for these cars.

This!

Yes the product works, but for 5 grand you could go FI and gain 125hp.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Ernie L

It matters if the end product is judged by the ultimate HP number..which is what appeared to be the case in this thread...that's why I brought it up.....and yes I'm well aware that it does not matter if you are only considering the HP gains.

You should never judge anything by the 'ultimate hp number'. There is no such thing. It is irrelevant and largely non existent unless it is SAE verified and signed off by one of their witnesses using their testing protocols. Different dynos read differently, there are too many variables, and you can make a dyno say pretty much whatever you like. Like I said, what matters is the delta or change from baseline and the environmental factors involved. That's it. The rest is marketing bullshit and people who get suckered into it.

[stonenewt]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

True. Most people would be way happier with the torque of a 1.2 or 1.4 TSI. They just use their cars for accelerating fast when approaching high speed lanes. They are even bored to change gears. Then they complain that Toyobaru is slow.

1.2 TFSI not so much, they do struggle a little, especially in a Golf/A3/Leon. The 1.4 TFSI when 140ps or higher spec certainly... well before the engine imploded due to bore wash

[abraxis]

Anyone who doesn't want to downshift to pass simply bought the wrong car. A real driver should be anxious to find an opportunity to downshift! I'm guessing they don't engine brake or blip the throttle either.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

This!

Yes the product works, but for 5 grand you could go FI and gain 125hp.

Except that forced induction never costs just 5K...don't forget installation, gauges, additional cooling, clutch, and the problems that may arise when adding forced induction to a factory n/a car....

[D_Thissen]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Except that forced induction never costs just 5K...don't forget installation, gauges, additional cooling, clutch, and the problems that may arise when adding forced induction to a factory n/a car....

True, but you could say that about any build. Heck even stock, these cars could use additional cooling lol.. But for around the $5000-5500CAD price range, you could have these.


$4245 CAD http://clubstore.brzworld.ca/product...-air-to-air-ic
$5245 CAD http://www.tougetuning.com/store/inn...1179_1242_1311


Instead of this
$5250 USD ($5890 CAD) http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Cosw...-Power-Package

Not trying to be a smart ass, just playing devils advocate

[Dipstik-sportech]

Or this kit
http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/250-...mode-1193.html
And that's everything u need.