Ottawa FR-S

[PoRco]

Originally Posted by Pbrown

Is that for the Automatic and upgraded sound system? Also I would go on Scion.ca and enter the numbers on the calculator to compare. It should be the same as what they are quoting you.

This is the manual transmission.

And it's coming out to be cheaper than what the site is quoting for some reason...

Do you guys think the interest rates will drop in a couple of months?

[Slick]

Build and price comes to $530.33 for 5 year financing, Lease at $337 for 48 months. That's quite a bit different than what you were quoted.

Adding the Premium Sound, it goes to $541/ $350 respectively.

What dealer?

Originally Posted by PoRco

Hey guys,

It's freaking awesome that some of you have your car already! I'm sooo jealous :P Hoping to get mine before my birthday in September!

I got a quote for leasing and financing. Does this look about right to you guys?

$3000 down

Financing - 5 years, $544/month

Leasing - 4 years, 383/month

[Slick]

It's actually coming to more than the build and price. This is with taxes in btw.

And I don't see interest rates changing for this car for a while.

Originally Posted by PoRco

This is the manual transmission.

And it's coming out to be cheaper than what the site is quoting for some reason...

Do you guys think the interest rates will drop in a couple of months?

[PoRco]

Originally Posted by Slick

It's actually coming to more than the build and price. This is with taxes in btw.

And I don't see interest rates changing for this car for a while.

Wow,

Weird... I must be doing something wrong.




Btw, dealer is Tony Graham...

[zootramp]

Tony Graham usually adds Walkaway insurance ($249) and admin fee ($349)

[Slick]

Yeah, you didn't deduct the $3000 downpayment you mentioned... That'll bring it down a bit, lol.

With $0 down, I get the same payments as shown.
With $3000 down, its $530.33 for 60m financing and $337.40 for 48m lease.

Originally Posted by PoRco

Wow,

Weird... I must be doing something wrong.




Btw, dealer is Tony Graham...

[PoRco]

Originally Posted by Slick

Yeah, you didn't deduct the $3000 downpayment you mentioned... That'll bring it down a bit, lol.

With $0 down, I get the same payments as shown.
With $3000 down, its $530.33 for 60m financing and $337.40 for 48m lease.

Wow, I feel stupid now. Yeah, you're right. And the price he quoted me was WITHOUT the premium sound.

Earlier today, I asked him for two years and three years leasing options and he said:

"2 years, 431/month

3 years, 404/month"

The website is quoting 340/month for two years!

I don't know what's going on

[ramification]

I was finally able to test drive the FRS today. Personally I found it a very attractive car on the outside and I think the BRZ will look just as nice if not slightly better. It has nice sculpted lines which aren't as obvious in pictures as they are in person. I think it strikes the perfect balance between being sculpted and styled without being overstyled. I think it is one of the better looking cars on the road today for sure. I think the Genesis Coupe looks slightly better from the outside (just my opinion! but I also think the FRS is a more practical package overall all things considered).

The first thing you notice when you sit inside is the seats are very low to the ground and fit pretty tightly (my favourite part after the looks were the seats). I am 6ft and I could fit in the back with my 6ft friend in the front passenger seat albeit my legs were pretty cramped but it would work for 20 or so minutes no prob. It was way roomier than the Genesis Coupe where I couldn't even come close to fitting with headroom on par with the G37 and Mustang but the legroom would be the limiting factor. Also, I doubt I could have fit behind a 6ft driver. Interior materials were alright but the climate controls were kind of economy feeling and the T-pattern plastic bit felt pretty cheap but nothing too bad. Seat material felt alright. Comfortable and soft but not premium feeling (because it isn't which is totally fine for a car like this and at this price). Overall, for a car like this, I found the interior to be quite nice and the back seat is actually usable for at least one borderline large person which is great for such a tiny car.

The car handles very well with no body lean even in tight cornering. Nobody will argue that the car handles very well and feels great to drive. Super responsive. However, I did feel it needed a few more hp. Just an extra 20-30 horsepower would have made a world of difference. It feels like it is just on the borderline of almost feeling quick but its not quite there. I never had any sensation of acceleration to any degree of excitement which really disappointed me. Really the horsepower at lower revs noticeably low. I remember looking at inside lines dyno superposition for the FRS and GTI with differences of about 70hp in most of the rev range and you can really feel the difference (I drove a GLI last weekend and it felt quite fast). At the end of the day, in daily driving I personally think the handling characteristics of the FRS are great but overkill, and extra power is something you could really use everyday if it were there. I thought I would be the last person in the world to care about the lack of power but at the end of the day it really does impact the driving experience on the road.

I think this car is great as a fun car to tackle twisties and take to the track or autocross it, but as a daily driver I just can't justify the compromises and the lack of power is slightly disappointing. On a track or somewhere where you can really push the car I think the powertrain characteristics are great and would be lots of fun, but it's just shy of being truly satisfy for me as a road machine. If someone is also willing to add some mods and tweaks here and there to add a little power I think it would make a dramatic improvement to the cars performance in all respects and in all environments. It is a beautiful, fun car that is a bit more practical than it would seem, ultimately for me it was just missing that special something to make me truly excited while driving it on the road.

I wish everyone who ends up with the FRS or BRZ the best of luck. I am sure it will be a great car for you guys that is great fun for many years. I personally will be pulling my deposits on the FRS and BRZ because I personally found it just shy of my expectations as an overall package. The above is simply my opinion and I am sure many of you will disagree as we all look for and focus on different things in cars but I thought I would share my thoughts and I hope you enjoyed it.

[Slick]

Great write-up.
I'll sum up why I am purchasing the FR-S. For all the cars I have had over the years, the most rewarding ones and the ones I miss the most are my 85 Corolla GTS (AE86), 99 Miata and RX-8 (when it worked).

Even in daily driving, these are the ones that made me smile and they were loads of fun to drive. The extra power is always nice, but extracting the most from the current package was more rewarding to me. I also track my cars, so better on-track performance is important, to me.

Hopefully this will continue with the FR-S.

Originally Posted by ramification

I was finally able to test drive the FRS today. Personally I found it a very attractive car on the outside and I think the BRZ will look just as nice if not slightly better. It has nice sculpted lines which aren't as obvious in pictures as they are in person. I think it strikes the perfect balance between being sculpted and styled without being overstyled. I think it is one of the better looking cars on the road today for sure. I think the Genesis Coupe looks slightly better from the outside (just my opinion! but I also think the FRS is a more practical package overall all things considered).

The first thing you notice when you sit inside is the seats are very low to the ground and fit pretty tightly (my favourite part after the looks were the seats). I am 6ft and I could fit in the back with my 6ft friend in the front passenger seat albeit my legs were pretty cramped but it would work for 20 or so minutes no prob. It was way roomier than the Genesis Coupe where I couldn't even come close to fitting with headroom on par with the G37 and Mustang but the legroom would be the limiting factor. Also, I doubt I could have fit behind a 6ft driver. Interior materials were alright but the climate controls were kind of economy feeling and the T-pattern plastic bit felt pretty cheap but nothing too bad. Seat material felt alright. Comfortable and soft but not premium feeling (because it isn't which is totally fine for a car like this and at this price). Overall, for a car like this, I found the interior to be quite nice and the back seat is actually usable for at least one borderline large person which is great for such a tiny car.

The car handles very well with no body lean even in tight cornering. Nobody will argue that the car handles very well and feels great to drive. Super responsive. However, I did feel it needed a few more hp. Just an extra 20-30 horsepower would have made a world of difference. It feels like it is just on the borderline of almost feeling quick but its not quite there. I never had any sensation of acceleration to any degree of excitement which really disappointed me. Really the horsepower at lower revs noticeably low. I remember looking at inside lines dyno superposition for the FRS and GTI with differences of about 70hp in most of the rev range and you can really feel the difference (I drove a GLI last weekend and it felt quite fast). At the end of the day, in daily driving I personally think the handling characteristics of the FRS are great but overkill, and extra power is something you could really use everyday if it were there. I thought I would be the last person in the world to care about the lack of power but at the end of the day it really does impact the driving experience on the road.

I think this car is great as a fun car to tackle twisties and take to the track or autocross it, but as a daily driver I just can't justify the compromises and the lack of power is slightly disappointing. On a track or somewhere where you can really push the car I think the powertrain characteristics are great and would be lots of fun, but it's just shy of being truly satisfy for me as a road machine. If someone is also willing to add some mods and tweaks here and there to add a little power I think it would make a dramatic improvement to the cars performance in all respects and in all environments. It is a beautiful, fun car that is a bit more practical than it would seem, ultimately for me it was just missing that special something to make me truly excited while driving it on the road.

I wish everyone who ends up with the FRS or BRZ the best of luck. I am sure it will be a great car for you guys that is great fun for many years. I personally will be pulling my deposits on the FRS and BRZ because I personally found it just shy of my expectations as an overall package. The above is simply my opinion and I am sure many of you will disagree as we all look for and focus on different things in cars but I thought I would share my thoughts and I hope you enjoyed it.

[Klinn]

Originally Posted by ramification

I was finally able to test drive the FRS today. ...<snip>... I personally found it just shy of my expectations as an overall package. The above is simply my opinion and I am sure many of you will disagree as we all look for and focus on different things in cars.

Good to see someone evaluating the car carefully based on their needs, rather than just buying into the hype.

Back when I had my Miata I never ever wanted more power when I had it on the track, but yes, in daily driving it occasionally felt weak to me. I expect to have similar feelings about the FR-S.

It will be interesting to see if a future supercharged or STI version appears to fill that gap, but I needed a new daily driver now. While the Genesis Coupe was attractive due to its extra torque, in the end the FR-S pushes more of my buttons.

[PoRco]

Originally Posted by zootramp

Tony Graham usually adds Walkaway insurance ($249) and admin fee ($349)

I inquired further and he forwarded me to his manager who called me.

So they added Walkaway insurance - 249$ and Global-i - 349$ !!

I've snooped around the forums and apparently the Globali-i isn't mandatory and can be waved.

Is the walkaway equivalent to GAP insurance? Should I try to get that waved too?

Any help whatsoever will be appreciated!

[ramification]

Originally Posted by PoRco

I inquired further and he forwarded me to his manager who called me.

So they added Walkaway insurance - 249$ and Global-i - 349$ !!

I've snooped around the forums and apparently the Globali-i isn't mandatory and can be waved.

Is the walkaway equivalent to GAP insurance? Should I try to get that waved too?

Any help whatsoever will be appreciated!

All those extra fees are bs. You should pay what you see on the website. Bel-air didn't charge me anything on top of what is shown on the site when I preordered mine a while back.

[zootramp]

I was able to get out of the walkaway pretty easily on a finance purchase. Get code 43 on your insurance to get 2 years of new car replacement and they might let you off if your credit is solid.

The admin fee of $349.00 might be tougher. I gave them a bit of a hard time on this markup but they know that I will not go elsewhere. I have a 20+ year business relationship with Tony Graham and I personally don't want to sour the relationship as the service department have easily saved me 10 times as much over the years by treating me extremely well.

Good luck

[KingGeo]

so the Scion manager at Tony Graham told me Mendes has an AT demo car. anyone know what colour?
other posts say Bel-Air has a White AT demo but i have seen white in person already.

i really need to see blue!!