*PHASTEK* Perrin Tuned Vortech Supercharger Install Thread (3 Vehicles, 3 Kits)

[so26]

Originally Posted by Chris@Phastek

1st 3.7, 2nd 3.8.

Which gear?

[PhastekSport]

Third. Definitely not top. Never looked into so many acceleration tests. This one just doesn't seem to structured. Basically everyone would have to agree for the method.

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[so26]

The road should be reasonably level and done on days when its not overly windy. Also, make sure you're not getting a draft from a car ahead of you. There should be no passengers in the car. Note the amount of fuel in the car but in the end I don't think times will change much with fuel level. Each run (60-80 or 80-100) should be done in one gear at a time. And you should start a couple of mph below the starting speed.

Here are my times with a Perrin drop-in filter and LWP so basically a stock car.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=194

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=229

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by so26

The road should be reasonably level and done on days when its not overly windy. Also, make sure you're not getting a draft from a car ahead of you. There should be no passengers in the car. Note the amount of fuel in the car but in the end I don't think times will change much with fuel level. Each run (60-80 or 80-100) should be done in one gear at a time. And you should start a couple of mph below the starting speed.

Here are my times with a Perrin drop-in filter and LWP so basically a stock car.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=194

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=229

The SC should decrease 60-80 times? What is going on here? Must be other factors slowing the car down. Maybe tune isn't optimized for off-dyno driving? Boost leak?

[PhastekSport]

^ I guess so.

Just kidding. There will be a lot of factors here. Stock wheels? Stock tires? Temperature? Barometric pressure? How long has the vehicle been running? Excessive weight from extra passengers, cargo, etc?

I think a big one is, what speed did they start to calculate the 60-80.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

So what is this telling us? The Vortech kit doesn't increase 60-80 times? What is going on here?

Technically this is correct, the vortech kit does not increase 60-80 times. It decreases 60-80 times. Just like about any time you increase horsepower by 32% on the same vehicle.

@Chris@Phastek, don't break your back trying to please the haters brother, it cannot be done. If you turn in anything less than professional lap times on every video, someone will be happy to make some kind of inane comment like above.

[PhastekSport]

Yeah Pete, I don't really mind. If a comment is posted that is not for the purpose of gaining meaningful insight, I recognize it as a troll post.

This thread was meant for the people who wanted more power with long term reliability to gain more knowledge about the kit. I'm not afraid to put the facts no matter what they are.

Perrin will sell these kits no matter if haters post or not. For many the "Find more posts by" link when clicking a username will aide people in figuring out the credibility of a user and which kits they have been promoting :-).

Originally Posted by Delsy

I also want to install it my self. I would like to have more knowledge about the kit before I order one. I don't if which vendor can ship it into Philippines. Do you think a regular car guy can install and set up that SC? Is the addition hp feels significantly? Thanks

I think a regular car guy and his buddy can. It's nice to have someone around but far from impossible to do it alone.

Someone will probably ship to the Philippines as we have shipped packages far and wide. Just an observation though... I wouldn't say you're from the Philippines and list Nigeria as your location. There is a negative cloud around Nigeria and business transactions on the Internet.

In other news:

Did revisit old private road for one higher speed run. Previously only taken up to redline in 5th which was around 130-131. Ran out of pavement and knew that it would take a lot more to exceed that speed in 6th. Same stretch with the kit, I claim 139, but the passenger says 140.

[so26]

I think Chris might be selling himself short here by not using the torque app and trying the runs in other gears. So next time try it with just yourself in the car and ~half a tank of gas.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Pete

Technically this is correct, the vortech kit does not increase 60-80 times. It decreases 60-80 times. Just like about any time you increase horsepower by 32% on the same vehicle.

@Chris@Phastek, don't break your back trying to please the haters brother, it cannot be done. If you turn in anything less than professional lap times on every video, someone will be happy to make some kind of inane comment like above.

Compare your post to mine and you may see I am not the one hating.

My question is legit. On the street there should be some measureable increase in performance from, as you say, 32% increase in HP. Weight of passenger, tires, rims etc will factor in but cannot cancel out 32% increase in HP I don't think.

So, that brings me to my question of "what is going on here" where I am genuinely interested in what may be contributing to this seemingly lack of performance compared to stock'ish vehicles. Maybe I am just over paranoid and over reacting as I am seriously considering this kit for road course.

I think we can agree if I spend $5400+ on a FI kit I better be getting as you say "faster lap times", faster passing times, 0-60 etc. It is the whole point of adding 32% more HP. I am not mocking the kit. Maybe the way I worded my post was a little insensitive. I will edit it.

@Chris, I understand that other factors come into play. Maybe 60-80 is a bad yard stick to measure performance of this type of supercharger (or performance in general). Untill this thread I never even heard of measuring 60-80. Maybe 60-100 would be better? Lap times would be best. =)

[Pete]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

...My question is legit. On the street there should be some measureable increase in performance

And you are saying that the most accurate way to measure this is with cellphone videos posted on youtube?

Also you genuinely believe that 60-80 performance is unnaffected in a car that is so much more powerful?

Seems legit to me, nothing to see here...

[PhastekSport]

I am just putting out every day data. Not going back and forth to do 60-80 mph runs. Just a run posted that was in the middle of a trip back from Galveston to Houston.

Can't toss out the passenger and don't have time to run it at the moment under optimum conditions given TX2k is coming up.

Once that has all settled down, I'll try to add more structure. By then we'll have a smaller pulley. Perhaps we can work something with Victor and/or Pete if they want to set some hours aside.

I think Victor put it best when he said something to the extent that we are too busy enjoying our cars lol. Between work on the website and trying to spend some time with my pregnant fiancee.... I'm all tapped out!

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Pete

Also you genuinely believe that 60-80 performance is unnaffected in a car that is so much more powerful?

Seems legit to me, nothing to see here...

thank you for proving my initial point/concern.

Since this seems to have gotten personal to you there is no use in arguing anymore. Good day to you Pete.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Chris@Phastek

I think Victor put it best when he said something to the extent that we are too busy enjoying our cars lol. Between work on the website and trying to spend some time with my pregnant fiancee.... I'm all tapped out!

Glad to see you guys enjoying your cars! Good luck at the road course! I can't wait to see video etc. I think you will be the first to provide track data from a stage 1 kit.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Compare your post to mine and you may see I am not the one hating..... Maybe 60-100 would be better? Lap times would be best. =)

Maybe I am being a prick, sometimes it's hard to tell online.

I agree lap times would be best...but by a professional driver with 1 car N/A and 1 car S/C'ed. Not by people on cell phone vids in different states.